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    Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    MINNEAPOLIS – John Rydberg showed no mercy on the night in 1975 when he broke into a rural Wisconsin home and raped a young couple as their son slept upstairs — or four years later, when he raped a Minnesota woman at knifepoint in front of her children.
    On Friday, he will seek mercy for himself, trying to convince a judicial panel he is a changed man who deserves release after nearly two decades in Minnesota's sex offender treatment program. If he gets the provisional discharge he's seeking, the 68-year-old Rydberg would be released to a Twin Cities halfway house with a GPS ankle bracelet and a long list of conditions to follow. If he behaves, he may become the first person permanently freed from the state's civil commitment program for sex offenders since it started in 1994.
    OK, since it costs about 100k per year to keep sex offenders in the program, and since Minnesota also is going through a budget crisis, I am OK with letting them out after they are pronounced cured........

    On ONE condition, and that is castration. The way I see it, if you commit the kinds of horrible crimes this guy has, then you should permanently lose your privilege of being able to have sex.

    Article is here.
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    OK, since it costs about 100k per year to keep sex offenders in the program, and since Minnesota also is going through a budget crisis, I am OK with letting them out after they are pronounced cured........

    On ONE condition, and that is castration. The way I see it, if you commit the kinds of horrible crimes this guy has, then you should permanently lose your privilege of being able to have sex.

    Article is here.
    I think I'd be inclined to trust the professionals on this. The guy has served 30 years in jail and received 20 years of treatment. If the people dealing with him think he's ready for release, what's the issue?

    Castration? What kind of rubbish is that? People released after 30 years for gun crime offences have their trigger fingers amputated? Thieves have their hands cut off?
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

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    I think I'd be inclined to trust the professionals on this. The guy has served 30 years in jail and received 20 years of treatment. If the people dealing with him think he's ready for release, what's the issue?

    Castration? What kind of rubbish is that? People released after 30 years for gun crime offences have their trigger fingers amputated? Thieves have their hands cut off?
    Out of all the crimes that people can commit there is only ONE that cannot in any way shape or form be considered OK. And that is Rape/child molestation (they're the same in my eyes).

    Kill someone? Self defense or accidental.
    Stealing? Needed food/money to feed the family. (granted not as much of a valid excuse now adays but at least it would be excuseable when in this context)
    Assualt? I know I would assault any adult that hit my kids or my wife.

    But Rape? There is NO excuse to justify ripping the clothes off of some woman/child and raping her. None. Notta. Zip.

    IMO it is the WORST offense anyone can possibly commit. As far as I am concerned the guy can rot in prison. Though I would perfer a bullet to the brain pan...about 3 times.
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Out of all the crimes that people can commit there is only ONE that cannot in any way shape or form be considered OK. And that is Rape/child molestation (they're the same in my eyes).
    I don't consider any crimes 'okay'. Rape and child molestation are not the same thing. Raping a girl while on a date, while neither more or less serious, is a very different crime from a father systematically abusing his children. Both are hideous but I don't see anything uniquely heinous about them in comparison to other crimes that garner similarly harsh sentences such as murder, armed robbery, torture and terrorist acts.
    Kill someone? Self defense or accidental.
    Stealing? Needed food/money to feed the family. (granted not as much of a valid excuse now adays but at least it would be excuseable when in this context)
    Assualt? I know I would assault any adult that hit my kids or my wife.
    Murder is murder.
    No one is claiming theft or assault are of the same magnitude, that's a bit straw mannish.
    But Rape? There is NO excuse to justify ripping the clothes off of some woman/child and raping her. None. Notta. Zip.
    Murder (not just killing, but deliberate, pre-meditated murder), armed robbery, torture and terrorism? What excuses can justify these?
    IMO it is the WORST offense anyone can possibly commit. As far as I am concerned the guy can rot in prison. Though I would perfer a bullet to the brain pan...about 3 times.
    Well, those are your values. I'm sure many people agree with you, but to me there are a number of crimes that are on a similar level. If you decide that the most serious crimes merit perpetual incarceration, then fine, apply the sentence and we wouldn't be having this discussion. The judiciary imposed a sentence that was not life without the possibility of parole according to the legislation in place. If someone completes their sentence, as this guy has, then it's unjust to change your mind and impose further arbitrary punishment to make the community feel better.
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I don't consider any crimes 'okay'. Rape and child molestation are not the same thing. Raping a girl while on a date, while neither more or less serious, is a very different crime from a father systematically abusing his children. Both are hideous but I don't see anything uniquely heinous about them in comparison to other crimes that garner similarly harsh sentences such as murder, armed robbery, torture and terrorist acts.
    Perhaps "OK" was the wrong word to use. "Understandable" would be a better word I think.

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    Murder is murder.
    Even murder can be understandable. Even if its abhorrant. A person murdering someone because they raped their wife/child? Definetly understandable in my book.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No one is claiming theft or assault are of the same magnitude, that's a bit straw mannish.
    They were mainly just examples.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Murder (not just killing, but deliberate, pre-meditated murder), armed robbery, torture and terrorism? What excuses can justify these?
    Took care of the murder up above. Armed Robbery could fall under my explanation of "theft". Torture: If it saves hundreds, thousands or even millions of peoples lives..yeah I don't mind it. Terrorism: This would of course be entirely subjective. But when looked at from the terrorists side its understandable. Would also mainly depend on the cause.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Well, those are your values. I'm sure many people agree with you, but to me there are a number of crimes that are on a similar level. If you decide that the most serious crimes merit perpetual incarceration, then fine, apply the sentence and we wouldn't be having this discussion. The judiciary imposed a sentence that was not life without the possibility of parole according to the legislation in place. If someone completes their sentence, as this guy has, then it's unjust to change your mind and impose further arbitrary punishment to make the community feel better.
    Never said that if his sentence was up that he couldn't get out. I just stated what I would rather have happened in the first place.
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    OK, since it costs about 100k per year to keep sex offenders in the program, and since Minnesota also is going through a budget crisis, I am OK with letting them out after they are pronounced cured........

    On ONE condition, and that is castration. The way I see it, if you commit the kinds of horrible crimes this guy has, then you should permanently lose your privilege of being able to have sex.

    Article is here.
    I'm pretty sure we're not allowed to use the government like that. I don't know...something about cruel and unusual punishment. That damned Constitution getting in the way again. Listen, I know this is an emotionally charged subject, I just think we'd all be well better served if we didn't get so emotional about it. Use some logic, some nice, emotionaless, Vulkan logic. These lists are getting out of hand, and there does need to be a way to get off the list if you're put on. Recidivism rates are not that much worse than most other crimes. We've essentially set up infinite punishments and beyond life in prison without parol, that's not necessarily a good thing.

    It's time we revise our system we have. There are too many automatic punishments, too much databasing, too many lists. People have to have the ability to get free from this, demonstrate in some way that they have been "cured" (bad word...but I ain't had my coffee yet) and be able to have the full of their rights restored.
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    OK, since it costs about 100k per year to keep sex offenders in the program, and since Minnesota also is going through a budget crisis, I am OK with letting them out after they are pronounced cured........

    On ONE condition, and that is castration. The way I see it, if you commit the kinds of horrible crimes this guy has, then you should permanently lose your privilege of being able to have sex.

    Article is here.
    I don't see the point of castrating a 16-year-old boy who has sex with his 15-year-old girlfriend though.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I don't see the point of castrating a 16-year-old boy who has sex with his 15-year-old girlfriend though.
    It's not the same. Your hypothetical 16 year old boy didn't rape a woman in front of her family at knifepoint.
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It's not the same. Your hypothetical 16 year old boy didn't rape a woman in front of her family at knifepoint.
    That is true.

    However, sex offender laws apply equally to 16-year-old boys who have sex with their 15-year-old girlfriends as well as men who rape a woman in front of her family at knifepoint.

    So how about we finally get some nuance in our sex offender laws before we take such draconian action?
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm pretty sure we're not allowed to use the government like that. I don't know...something about cruel and unusual punishment. That damned Constitution getting in the way again. Listen, I know this is an emotionally charged subject, I just think we'd all be well better served if we didn't get so emotional about it. Use some logic, some nice, emotionaless, Vulkan logic. These lists are getting out of hand, and there does need to be a way to get off the list if you're put on. Recidivism rates are not that much worse than most other crimes. We've essentially set up infinite punishments and beyond life in prison without parol, that's not necessarily a good thing.

    It's time we revise our system we have. There are too many automatic punishments, too much databasing, too many lists. People have to have the ability to get free from this, demonstrate in some way that they have been "cured" (bad word...but I ain't had my coffee yet) and be able to have the full of their rights restored.
    Actually, according to the USDOJ, sex offenders have the second to lowest recidivism rate behind murderers. No, not what you're going to hear on Fox News, but they are half news half drama anyway.

    http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsorp94.pdf

    Within 3 years following their release, 5.3% of sex offenders (men who had committed rape or sexual assault) were rearrested for another sex crime (and 3.3% were reconvicted)
    The reoffense rate of DUI offenders is over 75% and drug offenders over 90%. But lets go after those sex offenders. Why? Well, so we don't have to look in our own closets at our own skeletons.
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