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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Then say that. Using our crime systems motto after a court has determined guilt is using it incorrectly because it refers to people before the court has given a verdict.

    Now I gave this challenge once before and I'll put it out there again as no one has responded to it yet.

    In todays world of DNA forensics, where there has been DNA evidence, has anyone within the last 5 years that has been sentenced to the DP been found innnocent afterwards?
    No, because it doesn't move that fast. The innocence project is currently freeing people from death row who have been on there for almost 2 decades. The last guy spent 18 years in prison. Nobody is found innocent from death row that fast. It literally takes decades. So that doesn't mean they aren't innocent, that means nobody is going to bother with trying to free someone who just got put on death row, when people have been there 20+ years.

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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

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    No, because it doesn't move that fast. The innocence project is currently freeing people from death row who have been on there for almost 2 decades. The last guy spent 18 years in prison. Nobody is found innocent from death row that fast. It literally takes decades. So that doesn't mean they aren't innocent, that means nobody is going to bother with trying to free someone who just got put on death row, when people have been there 20+ years.
    And 18 years ago we did not have reliable DNA testing.
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And 18 years ago we did not have reliable DNA testing.
    Not everyone on death row is there with DNA evidence. Look at the two people convited of murder and sentenced to death. Only one bullet hit the cop yet both were sentenced to death for the murder. Obviously one is innocent of murder but both are on death row. How are you going to prove who is innocent? The state said both of them hit the cop in seperate trials. How can you defend actions like this?

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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Not everyone on death row is there with DNA evidence. Look at the two people convited of murder and sentenced to death. Only one bullet hit the cop yet both were sentenced to death for the murder. Obviously one is innocent of murder but both are on death row. How are you going to prove who is innocent? The state said both of them hit the cop in seperate trials. How can you defend actions like this?
    Accessory to murder is just as horrible as committing the murder itself.

    As for your scenario I would like to know more about it before answering it.

    BTW, just an fyi moment here but I would consider only putting people on death row that have been proven guilty via DNA evidence. While I may not mind the occasional accidental killing of an innocent I do not think that it is desireable and would like realistic ways of making sure that they are not put on death row. However getting rid of the DP is not an option imo. There are far more innocent peoples lives at stake than just the few innocents that have been claimed to the DP.
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Accessory to murder is just as horrible as committing the murder itself.

    As for your scenario I would like to know more about it before answering it.

    BTW, just an fyi moment here but I would consider only putting people on death row that have been proven guilty via DNA evidence. While I may not mind the occasional accidental killing of an innocent I do not think that it is desireable and would like realistic ways of making sure that they are not put on death row. However getting rid of the DP is not an option imo. There are far more innocent peoples lives at stake than just the few innocents that have been claimed to the DP.
    Well if you can justify killing an innocent person then you are no better (and no different quite frankly) than the murderers themselves.

    And no, nobody has been put to death for accessory to murder. So take that lie elsewhere. Shooting at someone and missing is not punishable with death.
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Well if you can justify killing an innocent person then you are no better (and no different quite frankly) than the murderers themselves.
    Again, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. You can say that I am just as bad as a murderer and I won't deny it. Sometimes bad things have to be done in order for good things to come about.

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    And no, nobody has been put to death for accessory to murder. So take that lie elsewhere. Shooting at someone and missing is not punishable with death.
    Where did I say that someone HAD been put to death for being an accessory? What I stated was an opinion. Nothing more.
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Again, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
    Even when you are among the few or the one?
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Even when you are among the few or the one?
    That happens daily. So nothing new there. Taxes anyone?

    But if I were for some odd reason convicted of a crime I did not commit and sentenced to the DP, yes I would fight it till the end. But in the end, whether I was executed or not, I would still favor the DP. My needs are less than that of societies.
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    That happens daily. So nothing new there. Taxes anyone?

    But if I were for some odd reason convicted of a crime I did not commit and sentenced to the DP, yes I would fight it till the end. But in the end, whether I was executed or not, I would still favor the DP. My needs are less than that of societies.
    So society NEEDS to execute innocent people?

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