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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    What about the hundreds of people that have been removed from death row by new evidence?

    You better watch where you stick that needle, one false accusation could have you feeling it sticking your own arm.
    Evidence for "hundreds" please.
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    The man has done his time. He's 68 years old, having spent the last 30 years doing hard time. Incarceration tends to age you faster than the comforts of home. I doubt that sex is the first thing on his mind, if he's even capable of such an act.

    He's committed some of the worst sex crimes on the books. If he's on the registry, he won't be able to find work or a place to live. No one will want to have anything to do with him.

    I'll be checking in the future to see if any of ya'll are posting in the 'Sex and Sexuality' forum when you're 68 years of age. You do know why old men have high voices don't you?
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Evidence for "hundreds" please.
    Sure thing bub. I don't make stuff up to make a point. Everything I say I can back up.

    Innocence and the Crisis in the American Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center

    So far, 116 removed since 1973. And that doesn't include the ones who were put to death before there was a chance to prove themselves innocent, or they had no means to do that.

    List of people in Texas alone who were found innocent after execution:

    Frank Basil McFarland was executed for a rape/murder despite multiple inconsistencies in the state’s case, altered evidence, purchased and coerced testimony, and suppressed evidence of guilt. After execcution, he was found innocent by DNA testing.

    Troy Farris was convicted of the murder of a police officer. DNA proved he was innocent. Gov. George W Bush deny clemency. Troy Farris was execcuted.

    Jerry Lee Hogue was convicted of an arson/murder. Another individual later admited to the crime, but was denied further investigation by Gov. Bush. Mr Hogue was execcuted.

    David Stoker was convicted of capital murder based on the testimony of three witnesses, who later recanted their testimony. Doubts aside, Gov. Bush executed Mr. Stoker.

    Richard Wayne Jones, was convicted of a murder despite strong evidence that his sister’s boyfriend had committed it. DNA testing was denied by Gov. Bush, and approved his execution.

    Willie Williams and Joseph Nichols both shot at their murder victim, but only one hit him. In order to execute both, Texas argued that each had killed the man; in one trial, the state argued that Mr. Williams had shot the victim and Mr. Nichols had missed, and in the next trial, the state argued that Mr. Nichols had shot the victim and Mr. Williams had missed. Both were convicted of capital murder. Mr. Williams was executed by Gov. Bush; Mr. Nichols is still on death row.

    James Lee Beathard was convicted of capital murder based on the testimony of the admitted murderer, Gene Hathorn. Still, Gov. Bush executed Mr. Beathard, though he was innovent.

    Gary Graham was convicted of capital murder on the basis of one eyewitness’s testimony. Despite DNA evidence that provees otherwise, Mr. Graham was executed by Gov. Bush.

    David Wayne Spence was convicted of capital murder although no physical evidence linked him to the crime and almost every witness against him admitted that his or her testimony had been purchased or coerced. DNA evidence says that another man had committed the triple murder. Nevertheless, Gov. Bush executed Mr. Spence.
    http://officeofstrategicinfluence.com/deathpenalty/

    In 1997, Illinois halted executions when DNA testing found 52% of their deathrow inmates were innocent.

    The people who were exhonorated are: Rolando Cruz, Alejandro Hernandez, Verneal Jimerson, Dennis Williams, Joseph Burrows, Gary Gauger, Carl Lawson, Perry Cobb, Darby Tillis.
    116 people who were innocent who were looking at the needle shows me we can't trust our justice system, period. The death penalty must go.
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    The man has done his time. He's 68 years old, having spent the last 30 years doing hard time. Incarceration tends to age you faster than the comforts of home. I doubt that sex is the first thing on his mind, if he's even capable of such an act.

    He's committed some of the worst sex crimes on the books. If he's on the registry, he won't be able to find work or a place to live. No one will want to have anything to do with him.

    I'll be checking in the future to see if any of ya'll are posting in the 'Sex and Sexuality' forum when you're 68 years of age. You do know why old men have high voices don't you?


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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Sure thing bub. I don't make stuff up to make a point. Everything I say I can back up.
    Didn't say that you couldn't back it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    So far, 116 removed since 1973. And that doesn't include the ones who were put to death before there was a chance to prove themselves innocent, or they had no means to do that.
    To be fair 116 since 1973 is not "hundreds". A little over one hundred yes. But not "hundreds". Exaggerateing is a way to illicit an emotional response. It's basically a way to be "honest" while being "dishonest" at the same time.

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    List of people in Texas alone who were found innocent after execution:
    Most of them were convicted before DNA evidence was as reliable as it is today. What that list does not state was whether they were executed before or after DNA evidence proved them innocent.

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    116 people who were innocent who were looking at the needle shows me we can't trust our justice system, period. The death penalty must go.
    Like I said above, all of those on that list and of the 116 people were convicted before DNA evidence became reliable.

    I would challenge anyone to come up with some recent cases...say within the last 5 years, that someone was convicted wrongfully even though DNA evidence did not connect them to the crime.

    Its easy to use cases that are old and before DNA forensics became reliable. Heck its commonly known that during the days of segregation and discrimination that many black folks were convicted wrongfully.

    By the by perhaps you don't know my beliefs but IMO in the case of the DP it is far better that a few innocent people die due to it than possibly hundreds die to a few psychopaths that killed reletively innocent people in prison or escaped and killed people.
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I think I'd be inclined to trust the professionals on this. The guy has served 30 years in jail and received 20 years of treatment. If the people dealing with him think he's ready for release, what's the issue?

    Castration? What kind of rubbish is that? People released after 30 years for gun crime offences have their trigger fingers amputated? Thieves have their hands cut off?
    LOL - dear lord.

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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    I don't agree with having a public sex offender registry. If you've done your time or have been given the stamp of rehabilitation, you should be able to move on with your life. The police will always know who you are, that doesn't mean others get to invade your privacy. What about rapists, murderers, money launderers, drug traffickers, etc? Should they all require a registry so that concerned citizens can look them up at will? Hell, we might as well database everyone and then give everyone else access. That's fair, right?

    Fact is, you have to live nearby all sorts of people, many of whom you don't like. Unless you're rich and can live in a gated community that has profile checks on everyone, quit your whining. You're equal to everyone else and that's that.

    People should have the right to try and etch out a normal life after they have left prison, otherwise the whole prison system is useless. What's the point of being rehabilitated if your community will never allow you to be anything other than what you were convicted for? You might as well just keep committing the same offence, in that case.

    People deserve second chances, and they deserve dignity. If they **** up, you throw them away. If they don't get better, you throw away the key. That's how the system works and the village mob doesn't get a say in that.

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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    He committed violent, forcible rape....repeatedly. He's not cured, and he doesn't deserve freedom. Castrated or not.
    ”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” --- Ben Franklin

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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post

    By the by perhaps you don't know my beliefs but IMO in the case of the DP it is far better that a few innocent people die due to it than possibly hundreds die to a few psychopaths that killed reletively innocent people in prison or escaped and killed people.
    That is NUTS. That is ****ING NUTS. It is FAR BETTER to let 100 guilty people walk than to execute a SINGLE INNOCENT PERSON.

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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    LOL - dear lord.

    They're not cutting off anyone's dicks - chillax!
    But they could.

    Convicted child molester undergoes surgical castration | News | 2theadvocate.com — Baton Rouge, LA


    PORT ALLEN — A West Baton Rouge Parish man underwent surgical removal of his testicles Thursday as part of a 1999 plea agreement in which he admitted to molesting three underage female victims on several hundred occasions, a sheriff’s investigator said.

    Francis Phillip Tullier, 78, was arrested in 1997 and charged with more than 500 counts of molestation involving six young girls between 6 and 12 years of age throughout the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s, Sheriff’s Maj. Richie Johnson said.

    Tullier was taken from the West Baton Rouge Parish Detention Center to the LSU Earl K. Long Medical Center at around 5 a.m. to have the surgery, Johnson said.

    He was back in jail by 5 p.m., Johnson said.

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