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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Put the Bastard in the general population and let him rot with NO special treatment at all.

    California now has 'Chelsea's Law' which says: Anyone convicted of certain sex offenses against a child in California will get life in prison without parole starting Thursday, after Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed "Chelsea's Law."

    Schwarzenegger signs California's 'Chelsea's Law' - CNN

    This is my answer to this BS, and it needs to the law everywhere.

    Why don't we have prisons in the Desert under ground to save on AC with only one guard tower in the middle and shoot to kill anything that moves above ground. Or in tents. It works for sheriff Joe and it's cheap.
    Nobody is saying that violent sex offenders shouldn't get the worst this world has to offer.

    However, children and teens and even some adults who commit non-violent sex offenses should not be treated in the same way that violent sex offenders should be treated.

    Many child and teen sex offenders commit crimes because, I think, they're just too young and inexperienced to know better. They don't deserved to have that stigma for life. And what they need is psychological evaluations and therapy in order to train and teach them socially accepted sexual behavior. Rather than the incarceration we give them.

    It's absolutely absurd to expect the same behavior from a child or teen that we expect from an adult. So we shouldn't give them adult criminal sentences. Especially if the crime is non-violent in nature.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Nobody is saying that violent sex offenders shouldn't get the worst this world has to offer.

    However, children and teens and even some adults who commit non-violent sex offenses should not be treated in the same way that violent sex offenders should be treated.

    Many child and teen sex offenders commit crimes because, I think, they're just too young and inexperienced to know better. They don't deserved to have that stigma for life. And what they need is psychological evaluations and therapy in order to train and teach them socially accepted sexual behavior. Rather than the incarceration we give them.

    It's absolutely absurd to expect the same behavior from a child or teen that we expect from an adult. So we shouldn't give them adult criminal sentences. Especially if the crime is non-violent in nature.
    You're right about that.

    What most sensationalist people scream is "think before you defend these sex offenders." Ok, I'm not defending anyone. I'm actually trying to think about this stuff in a rational manner. Something you might want to try out sometime. Lets analyze this.

    With drug offenders, we don't just sentence based on them being a drug offender, do we? Why not? Because there are HUGE differences between the guy caught with one joint and the guy caught with a meth lab. While technically both of these guys are "drug offenders" their vast differences between their offenses should garner them vastly different sentences and parole requirements. And guess what? This holds true with these types of offenders. But.....

    This doesn't hold true for sex offenders. We label the two romeo juliet teens as sex offenders just like we label the serial rapist. While both of these are sex offenses, they are vastly different in intent and SHOULD not even be under the same label. However, being a sex offender, both will have the same restrictions when getting out of prison and in some states, both would be on GPS monitors, some for life. Both would have to notify neighbors, neither could go to their child's school functions. Is that fair to the child of the teens who later marry and want to have kids? Think about that before you spout of your "soft on sex offender" bull****.

    Then you have the guy who was looking for porn one night and found a website unlabeled that had underage teen girls in some of the pics. The FBI monitors that site's hit's, gets your IP address, gets a warrant and confiscates your computer and arrests you. You are now labeled a sex offender for life, but not only a sex offender, a Tier 2 sex offender according the Adam Walsh Act, meaning a sex offender who must register for 25 years. And that's right now, 5 years ago it would have been 10 years. Who knows if he'll ever get off the registry with idiots in office and bigger idiots who vote for them who "don't want to be soft on sex offenders." Yea, well, you obviously don't want to be smart, either.

    I bet you didn't know that "indecent behavior with a juvenile" is a lower tier than "possession of child porn." The child molester is on the registry for 15 years, the downloader for 25. So someone who touched a child is a lower risk than someone who clicked a mouse? Wow, really? I guess common sense is so far gone you couldn't find it with a telescope.

    If the crazy whackos in this country can't see the difference between those two offenders, they are a lost cause anyway.
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    ... could your baiting be any more blatant?



    I'd say you seem to have a difficult time distinguishing between supporting the rights of sex offenders whom haven't served their time, supporting the rights of those who have served their time already, and supporting the right to due process for those not accused but merely accused.
    No, I support the rights of the innocent child that didn't deserve what this guy put them through. As far as I am concerned he gave up his rights card the minute he laid hands on a child.


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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, I support the rights of the innocent child that didn't deserve what this guy put them through. As far as I am concerned he gave up his rights card the minute he laid hands on a child.


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    At what point do you finally say "he's been punished enough?" Even a murderer doesn't have to register and send out notifications for life.

    What if he didn't lay hands on anyone? A child porn downloader? A pee-behind-the-tree guy? You ever took a piss off the side of your boat? If so, you are a sex offender. Turn yourself in, and get yourself on that list.

    What if he was falsely accused and convicted by the coerced testimony of a child by a pissed off ex-wife? What if his preteen daughter, whos mad because he wouldn't let her go to the mall with her friends, says he touched her? Who you think anyone will believe, a crying little girl on the stand, or big evil mean bad dad?

    Things aren't as cut and dry as they first seem, Jmac. Open your eyes a bit, buddy.
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    At what point do you finally say "he's been punished enough?" Even a murderer doesn't have to register and send out notifications for life.

    What if he didn't lay hands on anyone? A child porn downloader? A pee-behind-the-tree guy? You ever took a piss off the side of your boat? If so, you are a sex offender. Turn yourself in, and get yourself on that list.

    What if he was falsely accused and convicted by the coerced testimony of a child by a pissed off ex-wife? What if his preteen daughter, whos mad because he wouldn't let her go to the mall with her friends, says he touched her? Who you think anyone will believe, a crying little girl on the stand, or big evil mean bad dad?

    Things aren't as cut and dry as they first seem, Jmac. Open your eyes a bit, buddy.

    Yep, you're right because this....

    MINNEAPOLIS John Rydberg showed no mercy on the night in 1975 when he broke into a rural Wisconsin home and raped a young couple as their son slept upstairs or four years later, when he raped a Minnesota woman at knifepoint in front of her children.

    sounds exactly like your descriptions of what he wasn't convicted of....


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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep, you're right because this....




    sounds exactly like your descriptions of what he wasn't convicted of....


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    If he was the only person on the planet labeled sex offender, we wouldn't have a problem. Problem is, he isn't.

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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    If he was the only person on the planet labeled sex offender, we wouldn't have a problem. Problem is, he isn't.
    That was from the OP. This is whom we are talking about. Why do you feel the need to go off topic?


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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That was from the OP. This is whom we are talking about. Why do you feel the need to go off topic?


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    How is it going off topic to bring up the fact that not all sex offenses are the same, so not everyone can be judged by this guys actions.

    A moderator you are not, so don't play one on TV.

    And just so you know, murderers with life in prison eligible for parole only do 8-10 years. This guy committed his last offense 31 years ago. If he is eligible for release, he must be released. If you aren't happy with the length of sentence given, that must be addressed at sentencing. After his sentence is up, like it or not, he must be released.

    And to the OP, nobody claims "curing" a sex offender. You can't cure pedophilia (but this guy wasn't a pedophile) just like you can't cure being gay. They are taught how to manage their desires and instead of offending, taking care of business in some other way, usually avoiding instances where a temptation might arise.
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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    How is it going off topic to bring up the fact that not all sex offenses are the same, so not everyone can be judged by this guys actions.

    Because this thread isn't about every sex offender under the sun. It is however, about this individual.

    A moderator you are not, so don't play one on TV.
    Whew, thank God. Those people have way too much responsibility.


    And just so you know, murderers with life in prison eligible for parole only do 8-10 years. This guy committed his last offense 31 years ago.

    So what. Both should get the needle. Now what?


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    Re: Minn. sex offender seeks to be freed from program

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Because this thread isn't about every sex offender under the sun. It is however, about this individual.



    Whew, thank God. Those people have way too much responsibility.





    So what. Both should get the needle. Now what?


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    What about the hundreds of people that have been removed from death row by new evidence?

    You better watch where you stick that needle, one false accusation could have you feeling it sticking your own arm.

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