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Postal Service on path to be broke by October

The Giant Noodle

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I just cant take this anymore! :badpc:

WASHINGTON — The Republican-controlled House opened the envelope of postal finances on Wednesday and what it pulled out wasn't pretty.
Unless things change, the post office will run out of money by the end of the fiscal year in October, Postmaster General Patrick R. Donahoe told the House Oversight subcommittee on the postal service.
Donahoe said that as of Sept. 30 his agency will owe the federal government a payment of $5.5 billion to fund medical costs, in advance, for future retirees, and in November it will need to make a $1.3 billion payment for worker's compensation.
"The Postal Service will not have the cash available to make both of these payments. We need legislation this year to address that fact," he said.
If it does come down to crunch time, said Donahoe: "We will deliver the mail." Employees will be paid, as will suppliers, he said. "The thing we will not do is pay the federal government."
Without some important changes to the law the post office "cannot survive as a self-financing entity," Donahoe said.
While the post office has been battered by the recession and the movement of mail to the Internet, it has also cut costs sharply by reducing its workforce by 240,000 people in recent years. Last year it cut costs by $3 billion and expects to reduce spending by another $2 billion this year, Donahoe said.
But, alone among federal agencies, the post office is required to pay about $5.5 billion annually into an account to fund future retiree medical benefits.
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Postal Service on path to be broke by October - Business - Consumer news - U.S. business - msnbc.com
 
Now I feel like a sucker for buying all those "forever" stamps.
 
just another one of those shining examples of a government run business



Curious.... how many private sector companies have gone out of business? Look this is a "company" that is NOT a Federal run joint. It is NOT a federal run business. Did you NOT know that!?!?!?!


OPPPPPSS!!! NO! You didnt. :roll:
 
No private company could deliver a letter to every address in the country for 50 cents. In order for Americans to have that luxury the postal service has to be subsidized. It was never meant to be a for profit company. How much profit does our military generate? NASA?
 
No private company could deliver a letter to every address in the country for 50 cents. In order for Americans to have that luxury the postal service has to be subsidized. It was never meant to be a for profit company. How much profit does our military generate? NASA?

I have to question if the USPS is even necessary anymore, now that we have FedEx, UPS, online banking, and email attachments. If the post office needs to be subsidized, maybe it's time that we gradually start winding it down altogether.
 
Aside from junk mail, I can't say that I have received a letter in years.
 
just another one of those shining examples of a government run business

How long has the postal service operated? I know how to fix this!! Cut taxes for the wealthy!! Clearly it's the only way.

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I had to clarify about whose taxes were being cut. I mean, obviously we'd cut the wealthy's taxes so they can eat the money and then when they sweat it will drip out of their pores into our mouths.
 
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Curious.... how many private sector companies have gone out of business? Look this is a "company" that is NOT a Federal run joint. It is NOT a federal run business. Did you NOT know that!?!?!?!


OPPPPPSS!!! NO! You didnt. :roll:

more interesting libertarian perspectives
 
How long has the postal service operated? I know how to fix this!! Cut taxes for the wealthy!! Clearly it's the only way.

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I had to clarify about whose taxes were being cut. I mean, obviously we'd cut the wealthy's taxes so they can eat the money and then when they sweat it will drip out of their pores into our mouths.


that is particularly stupid

do you plan on being wealthy one day or have you given up already?
 
I plan to be comfortable. I have no need beyond that. Any other questions?

if you are comfortable that means you will be better off than many in America and millions in the world. there are those who don't want such inequality
 
It is way past time to rethink the mail system and reduce the delivery days down to 3 a week half on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. the other half on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays.

They also need to reduce office hours.

Snail Mail is no longer critical as it was before the Computer age, and as time goes by it will become even less relevant
 
Curious.... how many private sector companies have gone out of business? Look this is a "company" that is NOT a Federal run joint. It is NOT a federal run business. Did you NOT know that!?!?!?!


OPPPPPSS!!! NO! You didnt. :roll:


The*Board of Governors of the United States Postal Service*sets policy, procedure, and postal rates for services rendered, and has a similar role to a corporate*board of directors. Of the eleven members of the Board, nine are appointed by the President and confirmed by the*United States Senate*

While the Postal Service is expected to finance itself, it is not allowed to set its own rates, choose its own hours, or determine its internal policies.

While I'm not sure what is considered owning a business consists of, in my opinion, this comes awful close.

Now seeing they are “not” a government run business, I'm sure that none of their 2010 short fall of 7.5 billion dollars will not be covered in any way shape or form by the government right ?
 
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if you are comfortable that means you will be better off than many in America and millions in the world. there are those who don't want such inequality

Where? Who? More importantly, what do these "people" have to do with me?

It is way past time to rethink the mail system and reduce the delivery days down to 3 a week half on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. the other half on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays.

They also need to reduce office hours.

Snail Mail is no longer critical as it was before the Computer age, and as time goes by it will become even less relevant

That's probably true. Though there could be a higher premium paid you want something delivered on an off day.
 
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I have to question if the USPS is even necessary anymore, now that we have FedEx, UPS, online banking, and email attachments. If the post office needs to be subsidized, maybe it's time that we gradually start winding it down altogether.

Exactly, the USPS is an example of something I think the government never needed or should have been doing in the first place.
 
Exactly, the USPS is an example of something I think the government never needed or should have been doing in the first place.

Well, it started quite a while ago by the Founding Fathers. It was quite necessary for many years, though I think it may not be the worst thing ever if they cut back on delivering mail or privitize it completely (I get too much junk mail as it is). That crazy Interweb has changed a lot of things.
 
Simple solution: Make postage for junk mail and bills much higher than they are currently. These companies are using government services for advertising and profits, they should have to pay a ****load more than they are doing currently.
 
Maybe this would explain why they frequently fail to pick up my mail. They are trying to save money.

The town I live in has the worst postal service I have ever seen. They constantly fail to pick up peoples mail. I have had several friends complain of this. When a complaint is made the post master response is "We are not required by law to pick up mail, only deliver mail".

There has been more then one occasion where I have had to chase the mail carrier down my street to get him/her to take my mail. I wouldn't miss seeing the lazy assholes lose their jobs.
 
Well, it started quite a while ago by the Founding Fathers. It was quite necessary for many years, though I think it may not be the worst thing ever if they cut back on delivering mail or privitize it completely (I get too much junk mail as it is). That crazy Interweb has changed a lot of things.

True, the web has made it even more inadequate. I don't doubt it served a useful purpose during our nations earlier years, but I feel that delivering mail could have been more efficiently done by the private sector. There are just some things the government is not as good at as the market, and vice-versa.
 
I have to question if the USPS is even necessary anymore, now that we have FedEx, UPS, online banking, and email attachments. If the post office needs to be subsidized, maybe it's time that we gradually start winding it down altogether.

Who is going to ship all of our medicines in from Canada?
 
Aside from junk mail, I can't say that I have received a letter in years.

I receive letters a few times a year from my family... I also order a lot of stuff online.
 
Yeah, we get all of our bills and medical statements, etc., by mail. Still gotta have it, even if the price goes up. :(

Still, I love Tucker's idea. My husby gets so appoplectic over the sheer volume of junk in our mailbox. He bought a custom stamp that says, "Refused. Return to Sender." in bright red ink. He stacks up the junk on the kitchen table, gets this crazed look in his eyes, and wails madly away, cackling maniacally, then dashes back to dump them in the outgoing mail slot. *sigh* I know, I know. But it's the only orgasm the old guy gets any more, so what the hell.
 
I have to question if the USPS is even necessary anymore, now that we have FedEx, UPS, online banking, and email attachments. If the post office needs to be subsidized, maybe it's time that we gradually start winding it down altogether.

I agree that the post office has to change with the times but FedEx and UPS just have their own niche. They take the high profit package business, not the day to day letter delivery. They don't have to stop at almost every home 6 days a week (I think it should be 4 days aweek). Fedex and UPS could not do what the post office can at their prices. I guess we have to decide if we need letters delivered to our homes almost every day at less than it cost to deliver them. Personally I could almost do with out it. Almost.
How much per person does it cost to subsidize? Twenty bucks a year? It might be a bargain.
 
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