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    Re: Postal Service on path to be broke by October

    It's getting a little tedious going round and round on this. So far the only argument I hear is "We need the post office because the government is s'posedta, you know... mail things." But what I do not hear is how we can afford to pay for it, or why it is strictly necessary in the same way as firefighters or police.

    The world will not come to a grinding halt without the USPS. The free market will provide an alternative. It just won't come with the same pleasant memories from your childhood that provide you with a false sense of security the way government mail does.

    So, setting aside all appeals to emotion, there is only one real solution here: drastic cuts to the post office. But considering that the emotional appeal usually wins the day in American politics, let's just keep throwing money away.
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    Re: Postal Service on path to be broke by October

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It's getting a little tedious going round and round on this. So far the only argument I hear is "We need the post office because the government is s'posedta, you know... mail things." But what I do not hear is how we can afford to pay for it, or why it is strictly necessary in the same way as firefighters or police.

    The world will not come to a grinding halt without the USPS. The free market will provide an alternative. It just won't come with the same pleasant memories from your childhood that provide you with a false sense of security the way government mail does.

    So, setting aside all appeals to emotion, there is only one real solution here: drastic cuts to the post office. But considering that the emotional appeal usually wins the day in American politics, let's just keep throwing money away.
    no, the post office should raise their rates AND stop delivering on saturdays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no, the post office should raise their rates AND stop delivering on saturdays.
    Three days a week would be plenty.
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    Re: Postal Service on path to be broke by October

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no, the post office should raise their rates AND stop delivering on saturdays.
    Well, that's what I mean by drastic cuts. But frankly I doubt that would be enough. As has been observed, raising their rates sufficiently is probably not an option since that would reduce business. The post office is too bloated to be salvaged, it is time to let go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Three days a week would be plenty.
    If it means operating at a loss, three days a week is way too much.

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    Re: Postal Service on path to be broke by October

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    If it means operating at a loss, three days a week is way too much.
    Not if it generates billions of tax revenue from the private sector.
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    Re: Postal Service on path to be broke by October

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Not if it generates billions of tax revenue from the private sector.
    What are you talking about? How can operating the post office at a loss add billions in tax revenue to the private sector?

    Closing the post office is what would increase tax revenue. All those businesses that crop up to fill the niche that the post office is currently monopolizing will add tons of tax revenue.

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    Re: Postal Service on path to be broke by October

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    What are you talking about? How can operating the post office at a loss add billions in tax revenue to the private sector?

    Closing the post office is what would increase tax revenue. All those businesses that crop up to fill the niche that the post office is currently monopolizing will add tons of tax revenue.
    The post office adds millions of private sector jobs to the economy. They in turn generate tax revenue. I listed some of them above. Privatizing it would end up creating a monopoly since multiple companies could not provide the same service to every address in the country.
    Does any other country have a private postal service? If so how is it working for them?

    The jobs that create the 100 billion pieces of junkmail alone generate billions in tax revenue.
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    Re: Postal Service on path to be broke by October

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    The post office adds millions of private sector jobs to the economy. They in turn generate tax revenue. I listed some of them above.
    Nice cop out. If you did list them, I didn't see it the first time, nor did I see it when I reread the thread just now.

    Fact is, the post office doesn't generate tax revenue, it is an expenditure of tax revenue.

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Privatizing it would end up creating a monopoly since multiple companies could not provide the same service to every address in the country.
    No, the monopoly is the USPS, whose artificially low prices keep honest competition out of the market. If we got rid of the post office, it would open up competition to entrepreneurs to actually compete for our business in letter delivery. Imagine that! It might even lower the price of mail delivery. And we have anti-trust laws and market regulations to ensure a private monopoly doesn't develop, just like every other industry.

    I'd take the slim risk of a private letter-carrier monopoly developing (along with the increased efficiency of a free market) over government monopoly any day.

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    The jobs that create the 100 billion pieces of junkmail alone generate billions in tax revenue.
    So essentially you are arguing for government subsidization of the junkmail industry. Ok, fine, then the burden of proof is on you to show that the junkmail industry brings enough to the US economy to justify spending taxpayer money on a bankrupt postal service. But in the very likely event that the post office costs the public more than the junk mail industry brings in, then you are just plain wrong

    Regardless, I don't support corporate welfare arguments like this, they reek of fascism. The free market always has a better solution.
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    Re: Postal Service on path to be broke by October

    [QUOTE=Guy Incognito;1059326111]Nice cop out. If you did list them, I didn't see it the first time, nor did I see it when I reread the thread just now.
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    uote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    10) Finally back to junk mail - Think of all the trees that will be saved if the US Postal service dies.
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    Wood pulp is a crop just like corn. The trees are planted just to make paper, like Christmas trees are a crop grown special for that purpose. They are renewable. Tree farming employs thousands of people. Eliminate paper and the trees would never be planted so none would be saved and lumber jack jobs would be lost. Not to mention the paper manufacturers, printers, designers, artists, ink makers, printing equipment manufacturers, and the envelope stuffers. Also the vehicle builders, post office builders, sorting machine builders, maintenance people, would be out of work.

    Taxes from these people would be lost. I don't know how many people are employed directly and indirectly by having a postal service but that number must be in the millions. I would guess taxes from all those people would make up for the loss incurred by the post office.

    Eliminating the post office would cost millions of private jobs outside of the government employees.
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    The postal service does create private sector jobs. Just to create the 100 billion pieces of junk mail means millions of jobs and tax revenue.
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