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    Re: Postal Service on path to be broke by October

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    What everyone keeps forgetting about is VOLUME. USPS can charge 50 cents because it deals with massive volume of those tiny letters and envelopes. UPS does not. If there was no USPS and UPS and FEDEX were the only options, the volume would go through the roof thus the cost to deliver each one would go down. If you deliver 1 million letters and your competition delivers 100 million, of course you have to charge more per letter to make ends meet. Not to mention UPS is for profit, USPS isn't. So you're really comparing apples to hamburgers in the first place.
    And UPS and FEDEX would have to deliver them to every address 5 days a a week. Volume will go up and so will their workforce and costs. I do not believe any private business could deliver letters everywhere for 50 cents apiece.
    DHL lost money and folded in this country and they could charge what they wanted. UPS and FEDEX are profitable because they only handle the profitable part of the industry and charge rates dependent on distances..
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    Re: Postal Service on path to be broke by October

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    And UPS and FEDEX would have to deliver them to every address 5 days a a week. Volume will go up and so will their workforce and costs. I do not believe any private business could deliver letters everywhere for 50 cents apiece.
    DHL lost money and folded in this country and they could charge what they wanted. UPS and FEDEX are profitable because they only handle the profitable part of the industry and charge rates dependent on distances..
    If the government is not willing to charge consumers what it actually costs and is losing billions!! of dollars, they need to step aside and leave it to private enterprise. Why should I subsidize your birthday card to Auntie Em? Otherwise it's absolutely no different than any other boondoggle its operating now. Private enterprise would beat the post office hands down. 'Course they wouldn't be delivering junk **** to everybody for 6 cents apiece either.

    Who says we need mail delivery every day? Wanna' know? The postal union. I could care less if I get Saturday mail delivery. In fact, I could care less if I got mail delivery three times a week. What's so magic about every day??

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    Re: Postal Service on path to be broke by October

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If the government is not willing to charge consumers what it actually costs and is losing billions!! of dollars, they need to step aside and leave it to private enterprise. Why should I subsidize your birthday card to Auntie Em? Otherwise it's absolutely no different than any other boondoggle its operating now. Private enterprise would beat the post office hands down. 'Course they wouldn't be delivering junk **** to everybody for 6 cents apiece either.

    Who says we need mail delivery every day? Wanna' know? The postal union. I could care less if I get Saturday mail delivery. In fact, I could care less if I got mail delivery three times a week. What's so magic about every day??



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    I don't disagree. I rarely use the post office. We as a nation have to decide if we need the postal service or not. Private enterprise could not do what the post office does at the price and still make a profit. Would you rather let your tax dollars subsidize it or would you be willing to pay 5 bucks to send a letter to Aunt Bertha in Arizona? What happens if the private postal service goes belly up? Government bailouts?
    The postal service was never intended to be a for profit organization. It is a government provided service and throughout history has been instrumental in creating this nations prosperity. Third world countries without dependable postal service can will never reach our level of prosperity.
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    Re: Postal Service on path to be broke by October

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Jesus people have no idea what they're talking about. Inefficient government, eh?
    For decades the postal service has offered a service where they take a letter, put it on a plane, fly it across the country and then deliver it by hand for less than a dollar, and they've been self-sufficient doing it. What's FedEx's price for doing the same, hmm?

    It wasn't until very recently that they started to run in the red. A combination of economic downturn and the fact that nobody is sending letters anymore means their revenue is dropping. They'll need some restructuring.

    Find me one private entity that has been able to do what the USPS does, on that scale, more efficiently.
    If it is self-sufficient why don't we just privatize it anyways? There is virtually no reason why the government needs to deliver mail. Let supply and demand determine the cost of a postage stamp.

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    Re: Postal Service on path to be broke by October

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    I don't disagree. I rarely use the post office. We as a nation have to decide if we need the postal service or not. Private enterprise could not do what the post office does at the price and still make a profit. Would you rather let your tax dollars subsidize it or would you be willing to pay 5 bucks to send a letter to Aunt Bertha in Arizona? What happens if the private postal service goes belly up? Government bailouts?
    No. Let's suppose that, for whatever reason, it still wasn't profitable for FedEx and UPS to deliver individual letters, even after the post office stopped competing with them. As I see it, one of two things (or a combination of them) will happen: They will raise their rates enough to cover their costs, or people will simply adapt to it and find alternatives to mailing letters. I don't see why that's such a bad thing.

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    The postal service was never intended to be a for profit organization. It is a government provided service
    But unlike many non-profit services that the government provides, this is an area where the private sector can and does compete. And it's a sector where society as a whole doesn't really benefit in any particular way from having a public postal system. The benefits accrue entirely to the individuals who make the most use of the postal system, rather than to the public as a whole.

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    and throughout history has been instrumental in creating this nations prosperity. Third world countries without dependable postal service can will never reach our level of prosperity.
    At one time, that may (arguably) have been true. But no longer. Who are the main users of the mail system, in this day and age? I think there are four major ones: 1) Catalogs, i.e. junk mail, that most people don't want anyway and are easily available online; 2) Magazines, which are in the process of migrating to tablets and could easily charge slightly higher subscription rates to cover their increased postage costs under a private postal system; 3) Bills and bank statements, which are increasingly being done online and could easily change from opt-out to opt-in systems if you wanted a paper copy; and 4) Netflix, which mails out huge numbers of DVDs but is quickly migrating to online video content as well.

    As I see it, the internet has revolutionized the entire mail industry. If the USPS is losing money, we can do without it. Our economy has a remarkable ability to adapt to changes.
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    Re: Postal Service on path to be broke by October

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No. Let's suppose that, for whatever reason, it still wasn't profitable for FedEx and UPS to deliver individual letters, even after the post office stopped competing with them. As I see it, one of two things (or a combination of them) will happen: They will raise their rates enough to cover their costs, or people will simply adapt to it and find alternatives to mailing letters. I don't see why that's such a bad thing.



    But unlike many non-profit services that the government provides, this is an area where the private sector can and does compete. And it's a sector where society as a whole doesn't really benefit in any particular way from having a public postal system. The benefits accrue entirely to the individuals who make the most use of the postal system, rather than to the public as a whole.



    At one time, that may (arguably) have been true. But no longer. Who are the main users of the mail system, in this day and age? I think there are four major ones: 1) Catalogs, i.e. junk mail, that most people don't want anyway and are easily available online; 2) Magazines, which are in the process of migrating to tablets and could easily charge slightly higher subscription rates to cover their increased postage costs under a private postal system; 3) Bills and bank statements, which are increasingly being done online and could easily change from opt-out to opt-in systems if you wanted a paper copy; and 4) Netflix, which mails out huge numbers of DVDs but is quickly migrating to online video content as well.

    As I see it, the internet has revolutionized the entire mail industry. If the USPS is losing money, we can do without it. Our economy has a remarkable ability to adapt to changes.
    Like I said before I don't use the postal service much and could do without it. I just think privatizing it would be the end of daily delivery of letters at affordable rates.
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    Re: Postal Service on path to be broke by October

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    Re: Postal Service on path to be broke by October

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Yeah, we get all of our bills and medical statements, etc., by mail. Still gotta have it, even if the price goes up.

    Still, I love Tucker's idea. My husby gets so appoplectic over the sheer volume of junk in our mailbox. He bought a custom stamp that says, "Refused. Return to Sender." in bright red ink. He stacks up the junk on the kitchen table, gets this crazed look in his eyes, and wails madly away, cackling maniacally, then dashes back to dump them in the outgoing mail slot. *sigh* I know, I know. But it's the only orgasm the old guy gets any more, so what the hell.
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    Re: Postal Service on path to be broke by October

    Here's the way I see it:

    1) It costs 43 cents to mail a letter.

    2) It costs nothing to email a letter.

    3) I got my Christmas card from my brother in January.

    4) Had he sent it by Fedex, I would have gotten it by Christmas.

    5) Spam, spam, spam spam.

    6) You get it every day in your mailbox. I am on the opt-out list, and I still get some.

    7) I get it in my email too, which is filtered out and deleted directly from the server so that I rarely see any.

    8) The US Postal service will be obsolete very soon, if it isn't already obsolete.

    9) I prefer an automobile to a horse and buggy.

    10) Finally back to junk mail - Think of all the trees that will be saved if the US Postal service dies.

    To, sum it all up, I maintain that, in the interests of plain common sense, let the US Postal Service go broke, and let them go under. If they can't compete, then let the natural order of things, known as the free market, do what it does. We won't be any worse off. In fact, we are probably better off.
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