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    62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    First Read - NBC/WSJ poll: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    this is why indiana will go dem.

    But just 33 percent say it's acceptable -- and 62 percent say it's unacceptable -- to eliminate these employees' collective-bargaining rights as way to deal with state budget deficits.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post

    better to keep the bargaining rights and have the state go under and lose your job than give up the union and keep it, I guess
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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    I hate how much influence the unions, through the dues of the membership, have with governments from coast to coast. I'm sick and tired of watching legislatures whore themselves one day and then claim to represent the will or the best interests of the people the next day.

    What I hate even more, though, is when legislators believe the way out of a fiscal crisis they inflicted on us is to turn around and break the deals they made to get into or stay in office. No. You made your bed, now you lie in it and figure out how to fix things without breaking the contracts.

    Legislators that advocate breaking contracts or treaties or any kind should be rendered ineligible for re-election merely for making the suggestion -- if it's so vital to the interests of their constituents, they should be willing to fall on their own swords to make it happen.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I hate how much influence the unions, through the dues of the membership, have with governments from coast to coast. I'm sick and tired of watching legislatures whore themselves one day and then claim to represent the will or the best interests of the people the next day.

    What I hate even more, though, is when legislators believe the way out of a fiscal crisis they inflicted on us is to turn around and break the deals they made to get into or stay in office. No. You made your bed, now you lie in it and figure out how to fix things without breaking the contracts.

    Legislators that advocate breaking contracts or treaties or any kind should be rendered ineligible for re-election merely for making the suggestion -- if it's so vital to the interests of their constituents, they should be willing to fall on their own swords to make it happen.
    Look - I work in the state legislature. I handle the meetings with lobbysits for half my work day. Yes, we see unions, but they are a small minority of the appointments we have. I just checked the month of February and only two meetings were with union lobbyists. 16 were with non unions - mostly lobbysists for companies and industries.

    Some others were with private citizens and outnumbered both groups.

    And I am in Michigan - a pretty hardcore union state.

    You seriously overrate union power.
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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    Most excellent news. thanks for posting it.
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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You seriously overrate union power.
    if they don't have that much power....why do people piss themselves anytime the topic of getting rid of them comes up?
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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And I am in Michigan - a pretty hardcore union state.

    You seriously overrate union power.
    I am in New York, so no I really don't.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    In general, the public supports collective bargaining. Indeed, arguments to abolish collective bargaining rights amount to a de facto admission that the state's political leaders are terrible negotiators. It is a de facto concession that they cannot negotiate effectively in the public's interest. Hence, they seek to erect legal barriers to spare them from the negotiating process. Not surprisingly, the public is not buying the argument to abolish collective bargaining.

    Nevertheless, just because the unions command support on the principle of collective bargaining does not mean they cannot overreach. Unions will need to make a meaningful contribution toward helping address the states' fiscal challenges and in the long-term fiscal climate likely to be dominated by fiscal consolidation and austerity, their ability to seek increased wages and benefits will be reduced. Intransigence will lead to the public's turning against them. For example, when PATCO decided to go on strike leading to President Reagan's firing the striking air controllers, the public supported the President. A similar dynamic could come into play if the labor unions are not willing to play a constructive role in helping the states address their deep fiscal challenges, especially if the unions try to organize massive strikes that have an adverse impact on the general public.
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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    if they don't have that much power....why do people piss themselves anytime the topic of getting rid of them comes up?
    The honest answer and I am not trying to be insulting.... because of people like the anti-union crowd right here ... folks like you Oscar.
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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I am in New York, so no I really don't.
    So you are in New York? That is where you live. Beyond that... what is the point?
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