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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    tell it to the 65 house democrats who lost their jobs on tsunami tuesday, the 10 blue gubs, the 6 dem senators, the 690 state reps, most in history...

    a rasmussen poll---LOL!

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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    "62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights"


    What about the public employees that can keep their clothes on?
    You are talking about the United Brotherhood of Politicians now. They are the real whores here.
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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    We can't and shouldn't treat people as fungible. Corporations want to treat people as interchangable. They are not. And that is why we need to have institutions that promote the dignity of the individual. Unions are not perfect at this, but they are better than the alternatives.

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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    What ruined California was a willy-nilly system of direct democracy that allows them to vote for spending programs everyone loves while making impossible to adjust taxes to pay for them.
    More precisely, allowing the mob to vote on expenditures without restraint broke the budget.

    Last time Mayor Snorkum checked, the Constitution requires each state in the union to have a republican form of government, ie, a republic, not a democracy. While it is true that an effectively tenured legislature needs a kick in the ass from the electorate, allowing the uneducated greedy ignorant electorate access to the coffers is just stupid.

    The laws established there almost require one-party rule to create a balanced-budget.
    No, it requires the Democrats to give up their addiction to money the state doesn't have.

    You know, the OTHER way to balance a budget, by cutting spending to match revenues. I can't recall the last time that happened in California. Certainly hasn't happened while Mayor Snorkum has blessed this state with his presence.

    The thing that's pissing me off about Walker, et. al. is that the unions have already acquiesced on the necessity of making concessions. But he doesn't want concessions - he wants to destroy the workers' right to organize.
    No.

    Not one damn thing Walker has done prevents anyone from joining a union or paying union dues if they wish to.

    All Walker wishes to do is remove the state from the Dues Collecting business and the Closed Shop business. It is morally corrupt to force people into unions just to get a job.

    Moral corruption is what unions are all about.

    And it is a right.
    And no one is taking that right away.

    But, if a man does not wish to join a union, he has every right to decline. The freedom of association in the First Amendment works both ways, sonny.

    "They remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost. They remind us that freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. You and I must protect and preserve freedom here or it will not be passed on to our children and it would disappear everywhere in the world. Today the workers in Poland are showing a new generation how high is the price of freedom but also how much it is worth that price."
    Mao?

    Che?

    Some other commie with a three letter name?

    I'm guessing it's some guy in Poland?

    But, needless to say, I'm not seeing where Wisconsin is fettering any unions. Would you care to point out which chains are being applied?

    Here's a hint for you, when a man decides he's no longer going to fetch another man's water, that doesn't mean he's enslaved the other man. It means the other man has to fetch his own damn drinks. If Wisconsin doesn't want to collect dues from the employees anymore, then the unions will have to ask politely for voluntary membership.

    What's happening is that Walker is trying to restore the people's freedom to say, "hell no" to union corruption. And the unions are having the most entertaining hissy fit Mayor Snorkum has seen in the longest time.

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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Pragmatists prayer:

    When oh when dear Lord will you free us from this pestilence known as libertarianism and all its self serving mumbo jumbo and doubletalk?
    Mayor Snorkum, aka the Lord, responds, what's pragmatic about slavery?

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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    We can't and shouldn't treat people as fungible. Corporations want to treat people as interchangable. They are not. And that is why we need to have institutions that promote the dignity of the individual. Unions are not perfect at this, but they are better than the alternatives.
    That stooge who shouted "Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! ...." has no dignity to preserve. Nor does anyone who can disrupt public business and march in the street yelling mindless chantess from a megaphone wielding puppet master.

    If you're going to support human dignity you first have to restore their freedom to say "no, I won't".

    Anyone who can't trust them to make the choice you desire while free has no respect for their dignity.

    "Let my people go," said some ancient jewish dude.

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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    That stooge who shouted "Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! Fox lies! ...." has no dignity to preserve. Nor does anyone who can disrupt public business and march in the street yelling mindless chantess from a megaphone wielding puppet master.

    If you're going to support human dignity you first have to restore their freedom to say "no, I won't".

    Anyone who can't trust them to make the choice you desire while free has no respect for their dignity.

    "Let my people go," said some ancient jewish dude.
    I have no idea what your point might be.

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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    I wonder if the people who are against this know that many Federal workers do not have these rights. Also many states already restrict these practices. The media has shown this as an unprecedented act. They understand most Americans know very little about the affairs of government, so it is pretty easy to get this type of reaction.

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