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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    yes, i know

    that's why you need to look at rasmussen's month-by-month



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    save your opinions for those who respect em
    Month by month????? And please tell us how you can say who is accurate in September? When you have a situation where rasmussen is clearly the outlier and is giving us numbers way out of line - how do you justify those? What happens in November is that he gets his numbers in line by that time after he has attempted to use his polling as a news story favorable to republicans.

    As for respect insult - why do you need to be rude? If you do not respect my comments I would think you would ignore them and not comment upon them. Which is clearly not the case.
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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    respect for facts, not opinions

    i don't expect anyone to have any respect for my mere opinions, for example

    month by month---rasmussen results held steady, his final was the same as his monthlies

    let's look at that nyt/cbs survey once more:

    Essentially, the way CBS and the Times got the survey to produce the result was to over-sample union and public employee households. Only seven percent of the private sector workforce is unionized, but among the 984 people interviewed for the survey, 20 percent identified themselves and/or somebody in their household as union members.

    Similarly, government employees approximately 10 percent of the national workforce, yet the survey respondents include an unrealistically high proportion of public employees, at 25 percent of the total.
    CBS News/New York Times survey oversampled union households | Mark Tapscott | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    As the standoff between unions and Wisconsin Republicans wages on, an analysis of the nation’s 10 largest labor unions shows some top leaders – the people being derided as “union bosses” – make six-figure salaries funded by members’ dues.

    Leaders earned between $173,000 and $618,000 at major unions, the Center for Public Integrity found in examining 2009 tax records, with some groups paying dozens of employees in the six figures. At the three major unions , which together represent more than 5.6 million public workers, presidents’ salaries ranged between $400,000 and $500,000 in 2009.
    Report: Union heads make six figures - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    I highly doubt this polling data is accurate.

    Only 12 percent of workers belong to uninos, and if not for the requirement to join of some unions, that number would be in the single digits.

    Most people hate unions. Trying to do business in union states is extremely difficult for companies both inside and outside of those states.

    A poll can show whatever you want it to, depending on who you ask and what you ask them. I definitely think that's the case here.

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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    it looks like a done deal in ohio

    Ohio Advances Curbs on Public Unions - WSJ.com

    this is not surprising, the pros saw it coming quite awhile ago, due to the composition of the buckeye legislature

    what's going on in ohio and wisconsin is sweeping the nation, and the wave is huge

    in each particular locality, it's just going to be a matter of degree

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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    it looks like a done deal in ohio

    Ohio Advances Curbs on Public Unions - WSJ.com

    this is not surprising, the pros saw it coming quite awhile ago, due to the composition of the buckeye legislature

    what's going on in ohio and wisconsin is sweeping the nation, and the wave is huge

    in each particular locality, it's just going to be a matter of degree

    stay up
    Prof, imagine this.

    What if the Dems don't win back these states in 2012 and 2014? Better yet, what if the GOP wins hands down?

    These union dems are going to be faced with knowing that everything they've ever believed and taken for granted about people......was wrong.
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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights
    Yeah, but those are just Americans. Who cares what they think? Republicans have made their decision, and it is the job of good little serfs to shut up and accept it.

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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    Yeah, but those are just Americans. Who cares what they think? Republicans have made their decision, and it is the job of good little serfs to shut up and accept it.
    Replace Republicans with Democrats and that's how most Americans felt when the Democrats passed a federal healthcare law against the will of the majority of Americans.
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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Replace Republicans with Democrats and that's how most Americans felt when the Democrats passed a federal healthcare law against the will of the majority of Americans.
    Could be. I don't think most Americans were ever clear on its contents - Republicans and their news mouthpieces basically lied every time they opened their mouths about it. You're welcome to argue that Americans don't understand what is involved in this union dispute, but that's a much harder case to make.

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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I hate how much influence the unions, through the dues of the membership, have with governments from coast to coast. I'm sick and tired of watching legislatures whore themselves one day and then claim to represent the will or the best interests of the people the next day.

    What I hate even more, though, is when legislators believe the way out of a fiscal crisis they inflicted on us is to turn around and break the deals they made to get into or stay in office. No. You made your bed, now you lie in it and figure out how to fix things without breaking the contracts.

    Legislators that advocate breaking contracts or treaties or any kind should be rendered ineligible for re-election merely for making the suggestion -- if it's so vital to the interests of their constituents, they should be willing to fall on their own swords to make it happen.
    But you don't have a problem with the PACs formed by corporate leaders and CEOs?

    So CEOs should be allowed to organize, but workers shouldn't?

    Is that it?

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