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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    rasmussen was found to be the most accurate pollster in america in 2008

    http://www.fordham.edu/images/academ...20election.pdf

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    This is funny. For the first ten days of the Wisconsin stand-off, lots of righties here kept saying the public was on Walkers side and the polls would show it when they finally came out. So now we have one poll after another showing that the public does NOT support a Walker type plan either in Wisconsin or in their own state. Walker himself woud lose is his same electoral contest was held now.

    So what is the response of the right? Glamming on to their favorite pollster - rasmussen - who is an obvious outlier on this issue - and what else is new on that front? And every other pollster who gives them the bad news is simply dismissed and thrown under the bus.

    You righties are as predictable as the rising and the setting of the sun. You really don't give a hoot about public opinion unless it agrees with your own personal ideological opinion.
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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And you 'know' this because?
    afscme gave 87.5 mil to union friendly candidates last cycle

    Public-Sector Union AFSCME Now No.1 Spender in 2010 Election Cycle - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    of course, those days are over

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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    rasmussen was found to be the most accurate pollster in america in 2008

    http://www.fordham.edu/images/academ...20election.pdf
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    what your article does is examine FINAL election polls and compare them with election day results. As such, we do NOT get a look at what Rasmusses specializes in - his early polls during the early stages and middle stages of the campaign are normally tilted in favor of the republican or conservative and are usually outliers. Many have said he is trying to mold public opinion with his numbers. Of course his numbers later fall in line as the election approaches and his reputation is on the line. But in the meantime his numbers may have pushed some voters to the "winning side" that he wants seen as the rightist candidates. Your article fails to take that into consideration.
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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    afscme gave 87.5 mil to union friendly candidates last cycle

    Public-Sector Union AFSCME Now No.1 Spender in 2010 Election Cycle - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    of course, those days are over
    You look at but one component without looking at the entire picture

    False equivalency watch: Union versus corporate spending at Unreported
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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Prof
    what your article does is examine FINAL election polls and compare them with election day results. As such, we do NOT get a look at what Rasmusses specializes in - his early polls during the early stages and middle stages of the campaign are normally tilted in favor of the republican or conservative and are usually outliers.
    nonsense, rasmussen was singled out not only for the accuracy of his finals but for the steadiness of his forecasts in the months preceding the plebiscite

    How Did We Do? - Rasmussen Reports™

    and isn't cbs/nyt the outfit that sampled 20% union households and 36% dem vs 26% gop?

    to whom do you think andrew cuomo is listening?

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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You look at but one component without looking at the entire picture
    nonsense

    there's no doubt that corporate cash is a colossus, the chambers, the karls, the kochs

    you're the one who questioned union influence

    it all comes down to character

    the entire picture you're now looking at is gonna get an awful lot redder as we proceed

    the roves and colemans are already cranking up the cash

    and the seiu's are about to be slashed

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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

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    your threadbare one page article from Fordham clearly states this right at the start

    For all the derision directed toward pre-election polling, the final poll estimates were not
    far off from the actual nationwide voteshares for the two candidates.
    That is all they are comparing just as I stated.

    Your comments only admit the right wing cash is more powerful and will continue to be more powerful. The Citizens United ruling will be the downfall of our political process just as Dred Scott propelled us to the Civil War.
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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    your threadbare one page article from Fordham clearly states this right at the start
    yes, i know

    that's why you need to look at rasmussen's month-by-month

    Your comments only admit the right wing cash is more powerful and will continue to be more powerful.
    yup

    The Citizens United ruling will be the downfall of our political process just as Dred Scott propelled us to the Civil War.
    save your opinions for those who respect em

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    Re: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

    concerning corporate cash, do you remember when cbs' bob schieffer, ftn, 3 weeks before tsunami tuesday, asked the ax: what evidence do you have that the chamber of commerce is using foreign contributions to influence our elections?

    ax answered: well, do you have any evidence that it's not, bob?

    LOL!

    schieffer: is that all ya got?

    Schieffer Smacks Down Axelrod's Foreign Money Accusation - CBS News Video

    it all comes down to character

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