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    Re: Libya to Face War Crimes Probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    There is a difference between being a mercenary and being a regular enemy combatant. It's a distinction that the Bush administration worked very hard to define, so that they could create a pretext for the prison at Gitmo.
    I know there's a difference and here's the difference:

    United Nations Mercenary Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    And no, saying that they are fighting a jihad will not save them from prosecution.
    Worked for the foreign fighters that fought in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    You need to stop getting your facts from Glenn Beck.
    Glenn Beck said that? He must have been reading my posts.
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    Re: Libya to Face War Crimes Probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Look at how fast things happen when a nutty dictator kills his own people and causes oil prices to go up.

    Two months seems like a long time though.
    I'm not defending him, but who are we call it war crimes when Libya's putting down what amounts to a civil war? Does it depend whose side you're on?
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    Re: Libya to Face War Crimes Probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    What is going unnoticed and unacknowledged in this forum and even outside in the media. Is the Mercenary role and the change in Libya.

    I lost any and all sympathy for the Libyan rebels the second they started targeting the indigenous Black population in Libya for lynching and murdering.
    Three quick points, Laila:

    1) Not every non-Libyan African is a mercenary. Many are migrant workers who are innocent victims caught up in the conflict. Indiscriminate punishment should not be meted out.
    2) Any individuals who carry out indiscriminate punishment are, themselves, committing war crimes.
    3) Mercenaries can and should be tried. If convicted, then the appropriate sentence should be be given.

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    Re: Libya to Face War Crimes Probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    There is a difference between being a mercenary and being a regular enemy combatant.
    One is covered by the GC and the other is not.


    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It's a distinction that the Bush administration worked very hard to define, so that they could create a pretext for the prison at Gitmo.
    We have to keep them somewhere. Why not Gitmo?

    When has the US needed a 'pretext' to capture and imprison the enemy’s men? It's spelled out in the GC what's to be done with them.

    What part of the GC guarantees protections to Islamic jihadis?


    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    And no, saying that they are fighting a jihad will not save them from prosecution. You need to stop getting your facts from Glenn Beck.
    The GC has been in effect long before Beck.
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    Re: Libya to Face War Crimes Probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    One is covered by the GC and the other is not.
    They are both covered by the Geneva Conventions... Read Article 47. They are both considered combatants until a competent tribunal says otherwise.

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    Re: Libya to Face War Crimes Probe

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD
    I'm not defending him, but who are we call it war crimes when Libya's putting down what amounts to a civil war? Does it depend whose side you're on?
    I don't think it's defending Qadaffi to point out that the ICC and the convocation of war crimes trials are commonly used as a propaganda tool.
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    Re: Libya to Face War Crimes Probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    They are both covered by the Geneva Conventions... Read Article 47. They are both considered combatants until a competent tribunal says otherwise.
    Maybe you should read Article 47?

    1. A mercenary shall not have the right to be a combatant, or a prisoner of war.

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    Re: Libya to Face War Crimes Probe

    Even 0bama's Attorney General doesn't believe Islamic jihadis are covered by the GC:

    Eric Holder (Barack Obama's choice for Attorney General), on the question of whether unlawful combatants captured in the war on terror are entitled to prisoner-of-war status under the Geneva Convention. From an interview on CNN, January 2002:

    One of the things we clearly want to do with these prisoners is to have an ability to interrogate them and find out what their future plans might be, where other cells are located; under the Geneva Convention that you are really limited in the amount of information that you can elicit from people.

    It seems to me that given the way in which they have conducted themselves, however, that they are not, in fact, people entitled to the protection of the Geneva Convention. They are not prisoners of war. If, for instance, Mohamed Atta had survived the attack on the World Trade Center, would we now be calling him a prisoner of war? I think not. Should Zacarias Moussaoui be called a prisoner of war? Again, I think not.

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    Re: Libya to Face War Crimes Probe

    Depending on the type of contract mercenaries have with the government of the country they are operating in, they may very well be able to act with legal impunity, as what happened with Blackwater and the Iraqi government.
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    Re: Libya to Face War Crimes Probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Depending on the type of contract mercenaries have with the government of the country they are operating in, they may very well be able to act with legal impunity, as what happened with Blackwater and the Iraqi government.
    Blackwater operated in Iraq with "legal impunity"? They did?

    Where did you hear or read that?
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