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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The soldiers were unarmed. To me this is akin to an American civilian running up to a bunch of unarmed Afghan soldiers in the Kabul airport and shooting them dead while yelling, "God wants me to do this!" At least the Kabul airport is located in a legitimate war zone. The airport in Germany was not.

    In a debate, any position can be logically justified. Some are just more difficult to justify than others.
    That's a good analogy.

    From jihadis point of view, however, the entire world is a war zone. They will attack anywhere.

    Schools, churches, public buildings, hotels, nightclubs, buses, trains .......
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post

    I dare say we may not agree. I remember the British government saying that people who would blow up whole city centres, pubs full of innocent people, the Queen's uncle by marriage, and the hotel housing the entire British cabinet could not be negotiated with, but they were and peace (albeit imprefect) returned to Ireland. South Africa is another example of where negotiation with your enemies resulted in peace, also imperfect, but a quantum degree better than the outcome would have been should the route of conflict have been followed through to the end.

    First acknowledge your enemy's humanity, then speak, then negotiate.
    The key difference, which is why I believe there is no negotiating with these freaks, is the examples you gave were over disputes of an oppressed group fighting back against their oppressors. In cases like that, negotiation can be fruitful and lead to a peaceful solution because the two sides can reach a mutual understanding. That is not the case with radical Islamists because from their perspective, they are commanded by G-d to slay down infidels and they will not negotiate, as religious zealots tend, a divine command.

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    The key difference, which is why I believe there is no negotiating with these freaks, is the examples you gave were over disputes of an oppressed group fighting back against their oppressors. In cases like that, negotiation can be fruitful and lead to a peaceful solution because the two sides can reach a mutual understanding. That is not the case with radical Islamists because from their perspective, they are commanded by G-d to slay down infidels and they will not negotiate, as religious zealots tend, a divine command.
    I might agree with you if I believed that all the Islamists operated as a monolithic bloc, which they don't. I think that there is a vast difference between the Shi'a-affiliated groups and the Wahhabi groups. Not all of them can be approached in the same way, not all of them believe in permanent, endless religious war. I have to believe that dialogue, however limited at the beginning, has to be the way forward because... what's the alternative? Permanent, endless religious war?
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post

    I might agree with you if I believed that all the Islamists operated as a monolithic bloc, which they don't. I think that there is a vast difference between the Shi'a-affiliated groups and the Wahhabi groups. Not all of them can be approached in the same way, not all of them believe in permanent, endless religious war. I have to believe that dialogue, however limited at the beginning, has to be the way forward because... what's the alternative? Permanent, endless religious war?
    I'm not talking about all Islamists -- I'm talking about the radical ones who believe G-d commands them to slay down infidels.

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    That 'game' is the use of the term to differentiate all the actions of the enemy from those of the Allies. If you can portray your enemies behaviour as qualitatively distinct and infinitely more heinous than the behaviour that you are engaging in against them, then you can justify all kinds of abuses such as extraordinary rendition, the pretence that water-boarding isn't torture, suspension of the Geneva convention and the treatment of enemy prisoners such as that conducted at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay.
    The methods used to fight this war by jihadis are “infinitely more heinous”.

    Grab Abu was an abomination not the norm. The majority of prisoner at Grab Abu were not abused. The US military prosecuted the offenders. They were not promoted and given medals.

    We are not abusing prisoners at Gitmo. Not only what I've read about Gitmo convinces me of that, but my neighbor’s daughter has been stationed there for over three years and deals with the prosiners every day. I talk to her about twice a year when she comes home. She was of your opinion before she left. After a few months she realized none of what she believed was true.

    What part of the Geneva Convention spells out the protections guaranteed to jihadi terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I think I mentioned earlier, don't dehumanize your enemy, begin dialogue, then negotiate.
    What do you do when all the peace and diplomacy offerings receive a middle finger?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    So, do you believe that all the various Islamists movements, plus the Iranians, plus the Somalia issue all be resolved through military action? If so, why do we appear no nearer a victory?
    I don’t believe this war will be won only on the battlefield. We can win there and still lose the war. However, we cannot afford to lose on the battlefield and have no choice but to fight jihadis. If you think that’s delusional then so be it.

    Free and peaceful nations defeated jihadis in Iraq and I believe we will defeat them again in Afghanistan.
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    They guy was probably mentally unstable like the US Army base shooter.
    All radical Islamics are mentally unstable in my book. Here's an analogy. I love dogs. Rabid dogs are a danger to society and must be shot on sight for the good of society and to put them out of their misery. Putting down a rabid dog doesn't negate that fact I love dogs and think they should be treated humanely. Same goes for mentally unstable maniacs who go around shooting people. It doesn't matter if they do it while yelling "Allah hu akbar!" in Germany or screaming about the Federal government in Tucson, Arizona.

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    The neighborhoods of the worlds poor, obviously.

    You mean like London, NYC or Beslan?
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Basically I'm getting from you, dead Americans, A-okay. Which pretty much makes me want to do unacceptably violent things to those who think as you do... and the disgusting people who agree with your pathethicly vile hatefulness.
    You are aware that those people include your president,, Barry?? Most of the dems and the whole of the liberal horde?

    "Meh, it's a warzone."
    I guess that you haven’t noticed that you house, your neighborhood, your city, our country and all of our people are part of a war zone mapped out by the people who inspired the killings in Germany.

    Our government should be less restricted as to where and when they can strike back at the islamo radicals. We need to strike not only the foot soldiers of jihad but those who support them.

    Whichever side of that discussion you fall on does not make the event any more or any less tragic or the act any more or less heinous.
    Sure it does. We can’t look at the individual deaths in a vacuum. They are not in a vacuum. The innocent deaths caused by our forces are tragic but not as tragic as it would be to let the terrorists go because one of their kids may be killed. The terrorists target women and children. If they don’t want innocent people killed all they have to do is lay down their arms or at least stop pointing them at us.

    then you are leaving yourself open to accusations of double standards.
    Let’s use this standard; the Americans in Germany were killed intentionally by and islamo radical dog because they were American troops. The kid in Afghanistan was accidently killed because his father was a terrorist who was trying to kill American troops and Afghans who don’t want to live under Taliban rule.


    unlike the killers of the Afghan boys.
    So you’re thinking that our troops should be charged with war crimes every time our enemies can produce a dead child and claim that we killed an innocent?

    a conflict that no one seems interested in bringing to an end by negotiated, peaceful means
    Sure, all we have to do to end this peacefully is to submit to islamo rule. Look at islamoism and you will see that the cult was created with the sword as a thorn in the sides of the Christians and the Jews. Mohamed was an illiterate drug addict who came up a reason to rob passing caravans. After that he used his army of thieves to attack the other Arabs and force his rule on them. Conveniently his religion gave him authority to kill anyone who resisted. Islam was headed and spread for more than a thousand years by war lords who claimed to have the will of God on their side. Still we see killed thugs ruling most of the islamoised Middle East. Because the cult almost requires an executioner as the leader I don’t see that the current purges in Africa will change the standard of living for the average person. The abusive war lord is a prime tenant of islam that the people have accepted for hundreds of generations.

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    the pretence that water-boarding isn't torture, suspension of the Geneva convention and the treatment of enemy prisoners such as that conducted at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay.
    Torture?? We regularly water-board our won troops to give them an idea of what it is like. If you want to know what torture is – and let’s remember that many in the liberal horde wanted to impeach President Bush over water boarding – take a look at the actions of Saddam in Iraq. Take a look at the communists in Cambodia who tortured people not of information but to terrorize them and the general public who could hear the screams of the people who were having their finger nails pulled out, shocked of various parts of their bodies, having broken glass inserted in orifices, etc. That is torture.. Pouring water on a terrorist’s face to get critical information that may have saved American lives is not torture.

    There is no credible evidence that any of the horrors claimed by the terrorists actually happened at Guantanamo. Abu Ghraib was minor pay back done by people who were a little stupid – or there wouldn’t have been pictures – but wanted to hurt our enemies.

    We can’t keep the stupid and the few pathological killers out of the military and we should punish them as we always do.

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron River View Post
    take a look at the actions of Saddam in Iraq. .
    Yep and he was executed...

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