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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Why?



    Inside a country with which NATO is conducting joint military operations. Whether I like it or not, and I don't, Afghanistan is a multi-national, NATO sanctioned battleground.
    Pakistan is not, neither is Yemen


    Does that mean the US conducted acts of terror when it attacked people in those countries?
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Pakistan is not, neither is Yemen


    Does that mean the US conducted acts of terror when it attacked people in those countries?
    Thanks for not answering the question that was put to you, which was Why?

    Nobody asked about Pakistan or Yemen. Clearly, you are trying to equate the slaughter of unarmed USA soldiers in a German airport with terrorist attacks in Pakistan and Yemen. Also, the ignoring of NATO soldiers in Afghanistan is quite telling. It was a cold-blooded slaughter of unarmed USA soldiers in an area that was supposedly a neutral zone.

    Basically I'm getting from you, dead Americans, A-okay. Which pretty much makes me want to do unacceptably violent things to those who think as you do... and the disgusting people who agree with your pathethicly vile hatefulness.
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Neutral zone? What?

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Inside a country with which NATO is conducting joint military operations. Whether I like it or not, and I don't, Afghanistan is a multi-national, NATO sanctioned battleground.
    No, not all of Afghanistan is an active battleground, just as not all of LA is a battleground between rival urban gangs. A part of it is, but not all and hence you cannot simply dismiss every awful thing that happens there by saying, "Meh, it's a warzone."
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    This is so very sad. May they RIP, and may there families receive comfort in this horrible time in their lives.
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    A couple more thoughts, DiAnna...



    Let's try to keep things in perspective. I haven't read anyone saying, "Dead Americans - A-okay", nor anything approaching that. I have read comments discussing whether the attack could be described as a terrorist act, or an act of war. Whichever side of that discussion you fall on does not make the event any more or any less tragic or the act any more or less heinous.

    My point in posting Big Tom's hideous comment from the thread about the innocent Afghan boys being killed by NATO helicopters was that if you are going to say, "Afghanistan is a warzone, so deaths there are to be expected and hence less regretted," then you are leaving yourself open to accusations of double standards.

    It is true that the Afghan boys were not targetted, but mistaken for insurgent troops. That does not make one jot of difference to their families and yet those that made the mistake will not be held accountable for that mistake. Lack of intent does not exonerate anyone for a crime, if it did manslaughter would not be a recognised crime in most judiciaries.

    As far as those poor soldiers in Germany are concerned, they may or may not have been the victims of terrorism, or the victims of retribution for perceived American acts elsewhere in the world. Of course, they may have been victims of a lone individual with mental health issues. Whatever the case, nothing is making their killing justifiable any more than the killing of the Aghan kids is justifiable. It is worth pointing out, however, that the killer of the soldiers is being brought to justice, unlike the killers of the Afghan boys.
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I don't mean to sound antagonistic, and that's NOT my intention, but isn't it rather playing into the neo-con 'War on Terrorism' game to have a semantic discussion about whether the attack was a terrorist act or not? I think the point about motive is correct. If the motive was to make Allied, particularly American, soldiers feel threatened wherever they might be in the world, then you could describe it as 'terrorism'. The trouble is, the term has been so misused for its propaganda value that in the minds of many, if not most people, it has ceased to mean anything.

    Whether it was an act of terrorism or an act of guerrilla warfare, it was just one more murderous event in a conflict that no one seems interested in bringing to an end by negotiated, peaceful means. Where is the peace process that might edge towards a reduction in the conflict between Islamism and the West?
    The fact that Islamic jihadis are killing people all over the world is not a "neo-con 'War on Terrorism' game".

    There are people all over the world, including Muslims, who are trying to bring an end to it. The response from jihadis has been to target those Muslims and anyone else trying to stop them.

    What non-military methods do you recommend the 'West' proceed with to bring about an end to this latest jihadi war?

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    These two aren't mutually exclusive.
    Never implied that they were. The term terrorism has been misused and may mean different things to different people.

    jihadis believe their acts of terrorism are acts of war. Was this guy a jihadi or a nut case? We'll have to wait and see.
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    The fact that Islamic jihadis are killing people all over the world is not a "neo-con 'War on Terrorism' game".
    That 'game' is the use of the term to differentiate all the actions of the enemy from those of the Allies. If you can portray your enemies behaviour as qualitatively distinct and infinitely more heinous than the behaviour that you are engaging in against them, then you can justify all kinds of abuses such as extraordinary rendition, the pretence that water-boarding isn't torture, suspension of the Geneva convention and the treatment of enemy prisoners such as that conducted at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay.

    There are people all over the world, including Muslims, who are trying to bring an end to it. The response from jihadis has been to target those Muslims and anyone else trying to stop them.
    Yes, quite. So tactics that allow these b****rds to claim the high moral ground and to recruit on the basis of both perceived and real abuses of local populations by the invading Allies. I think that the belief that this conflict can be resolved through entirely military means is so patently deluded that it's hard to credit that anyone really believes it.
    What non-military methods do you recommend the 'West' proceed with to bring about an end to this latest jihadi war?
    I think I mentioned earlier, don't dehumanize your enemy, begin dialogue, then negotiate.

    Leaving the region will not work. Not fighting them will not work. Attempts at diplomacy receive a middle finger and will not work.
    So, do you believe that all the various Islamists movements, plus the Iranians, plus the Somalia issue all be resolved through military action? If so, why do we appear no nearer a victory?
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Intelligence has many dimensions. Some of today's Islamic extremists are quite resourceful and "intelligent," but in my opinion anyone who thinks that they'll make the world a better place by doing pussy **** like this has serious moral reasoning issues.
    All of that is true no doubt, I agree.

    Because they have questionable moral reasoning does not necessarily mean jihadis are not intelligent people. It's a lot more than just some of them.
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