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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I agree the word is often misused and often used for political purposes. But I feel we should determine if this was terrorism or not. It's not about semantics, it's about knowing what we're up against. For example, if this incident was some individual from Kosovo whose family was killed by Americans years ago, it's likely an isolated incident. But if it is terrorism and it was motivated my anti-American radical-Islamic propaganda, we should know that because it could be useful information in the ongoing war on terror.
    Well, it might prove useful to know who was behind it for tactical military purposes, but then we, as the general public, would have no real need to know. In fact it might be militarily advantageous for the truth to be withheld. I've got no issue with keeping military secrets secret.

    I don't believe it's possible to negotiate peace with terrorists nor do I believe we should even entertain the notion. Terrorists only understand one thing: death. The only question is whose; ours or theirs?
    Then you've got a lot of killing to get on with. After 10 years the West hasn't even been able to break Al Qaeda and find Osama BL, how long is it going to take and how many more soldiers lives will it cost to destroy all the 'terrorist' groupings? In the end the only thing that ends conflict is negotiation.
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post

    Then you've got a lot of killing to get on with. After 10 years the West hasn't even been able to break Al Qaeda and find Osama BL, how long is it going to take and how many more soldiers lives will it cost to destroy all the 'terrorist' groupings? In the end the only thing that ends conflict is negotiation.
    We'll have to agree to disagree then. I just don't believe that people who are evil enough to hijack airplanes and fly them into office buildings can be negotiated with. Nor do I believe they possess the integrity required to maintain any such negotiations. A year later and they're hijacking more planes because they decide on a new grievance. They're also so fragmented, that even if you could find a terrorist who could maintain a peace deal, there's 20 others who will break it with murder, if for no other reason than to disrupt any form of peace. Then there's the whole conundrum of giving in to terrorists will only serve to feed terrorism as that feeds into the whole reason they were committing acts of terrorism to begin with.

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    We'll have to agree to disagree then. I just don't believe that people who are evil enough to hijack airplanes and fly them into office buildings can be negotiated with. Nor do I believe they possess the integrity required to maintain any such negotiations. A year later and they're hijacking more planes because they decide on a new grievance. They're also so fragmented, that even if you could find a terrorist who could maintain a peace deal, there's 20 others who will break it with murder, if for no other reason than to disrupt any form of peace. Then there's the whole conundrum of giving in to terrorists will only serve to feed terrorism as that feeds into the whole reason they were committing acts of terrorism to begin with.
    I dare say we may not agree. I remember the British government saying that people who would blow up whole city centres, pubs full of innocent people, the Queen's uncle by marriage, and the hotel housing the entire British cabinet could not be negotiated with, but they were and peace (albeit imprefect) returned to Ireland. South Africa is another example of where negotiation with your enemies resulted in peace, also imperfect, but a quantum degree better than the outcome would have been should the route of conflict have been followed through to the end.

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    So this isn't terroism? It's a legitimate act of war?
    These two aren't mutually exclusive.
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Apparently we still don't know exactly why he did this. Was he working with a terrorist group who ordered the attack or was he on his own like the nut case like in AZ. I’m sure Germany has a few of them too. This one jihadi might be a dim bulb or completely nuts I agree that’s a reasonable possibility.

    But make no mistake, the jihadis we are fighting today are educated and have proven to be extremely intelligent and very resourceful.
    Intelligence has many dimensions. Some of today's Islamic extremists are quite resourceful and "intelligent," but in my opinion anyone who thinks that they'll make the world a better place by doing pussy **** like this has serious moral reasoning issues.

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    They guy was probably mentally unstable like the US Army base shooter.

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Well there is a degree of mitigation on both sides, no? The soldiers killed in Germany, if you accept that there is a state of war existing between radical Islam and the West, were legitimate targets, were they not? It doesn't make their deaths any less regrettable, nor does the fact that the Afghan boys were killed deliberately, but in error, make their deaths any less regrettable.

    What is totally regrettable is this state of war, and I'm not seeing anyone on either side trying to resolve it. Quite the opposite, in fact.
    The soldiers were unarmed. To me this is akin to an American civilian running up to a bunch of unarmed Afghan soldiers in the Kabul airport and shooting them dead while yelling, "God wants me to do this!" At least the Kabul airport is located in a legitimate war zone. The airport in Germany was not.

    In a debate, any position can be logically justified. Some are just more difficult to justify than others.
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    The soldiers were unarmed. To me this is akin to an American civilian running up to a bunch of unarmed Afghan soldiers in the Kabul airport and shooting them dead while yelling, "God wants me to do this!"
    It's completely different.

    And WTF is a "legitimate war zone"?
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    And WTF is a "legitimate war zone"?
    The neighborhoods of the worlds poor, obviously.

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    It's completely different.
    Why?

    And WTF is a "legitimate war zone"?
    Inside a country with which NATO is conducting joint military operations. Whether I like it or not, and I don't, Afghanistan is a multi-national, NATO sanctioned battleground.

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