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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post

    So, therefore, justified?
    No, not justified. But Not necessarily terrorism. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    No, not justified. But Not necessarily terrorism. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
    The dude yelled, "allah akbar", right before he opened up. Hmmm, let's see...
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post

    I agree it can be reasonably described as an act of war. However, since one of their methods of fighing this war is by means of terrorism, I also believe what happened in Germany can also be reasonably described as an act of terrorism. But it's still way too early to form a solid opinion about this one incident IMO.
    Not to repeat my point, but it's the motive of the killing which I believe determines if it's terrorism or not. And while I agree there isn't nearly enough information among the public to make such a determination yet, I don't see other Muslim engaging in terrorism as evidence this was. It's all about the motive.

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    The Euros seem to think it's terrorism. Why do we have our doubts?

    European investigators call Frankfurt shooting spree “Islamic terrorism” « Hot Air
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Not to repeat my point, but it's the motive of the killing which I believe determines if it's terrorism or not. And while I agree there isn't nearly enough information among the public to make such a determination yet, I don't see other Muslim engaging in terrorism as evidence this was. It's all about the motive.[/COLOR]
    I don't mean to sound antagonistic, and that's NOT my intention, but isn't it rather playing into the neo-con 'War on Terrorism' game to have a semantic discussion about whether the attack was a terrorist act or not? I think the point about motive is correct. If the motive was to make Allied, particularly American, soldiers feel threatened wherever they might be in the world, then you could describe it as 'terrorism'. The trouble is, the term has been so misused for its propaganda value that in the minds of many, if not most people, it has ceased to mean anything.

    Whether it was an act of terrorism or an act of guerrilla warfare, it was just one more murderous event in a conflict that no one seems interested in bringing to an end by negotiated, peaceful means. Where is the peace process that might edge towards a reduction in the conflict between Islamism and the West?
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post

    The dude yelled, "allah akbar", right before he opened up. Hmmm, let's see...
    That just means the killing was for Allah. That alone doesn't make it terrorism.

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    That just means the killing was for Allah. That alone doesn't make it terrorism.[/COLOR]
    See what I mean? The term is almost meaningless.
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post

    I don't mean to sound antagonistic, and that's NOT my intention, but isn't it rather playing into the neo-con 'War on Terrorism' game to have a semantic discussion about whether the attack was a terrorist act or not? I think the point about motive is correct. If the motive was to make Allied, particularly American, soldiers feel threatened wherever they might be in the world, then you could describe it as 'terrorism'. The trouble is, the term has been so misused for its propaganda value that in the minds of many, if not most people, it has ceased to mean anything.
    I agree the word is often misused and often used for political purposes. But I feel we should determine if this was terrorism or not. It's not about semantics, it's about knowing what we're up against. For example, if this incident was some individual from Kosovo whose family was killed by Americans years ago, it's likely an isolated incident. But if it is terrorism and it was motivated my anti-American radical-Islamic propaganda, we should know that because it could be useful information in the ongoing war on terror.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post

    Whether it was an act of terrorism or an act of guerrilla warfare, it was just one more murderous event in a conflict that no one seems interested in bringing to an end by negotiated, peaceful means. Where is the peace process that might edge towards a reduction in the conflict between Islamism and the West?
    I don't believe it's possible to negotiate peace with terrorists nor do I believe we should even entertain the notion. Terrorists only understand one thing: death. The only question is whose; ours or theirs?

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Euros seem to think it's terrorism. Why do we have our doubts?

    European investigators call Frankfurt shooting spree “Islamic terrorism” « Hot Air
    It was terrorism. We call it terrorism when it's terrorism, we just have a problem calling non-terrorist things 'terrorist'.

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