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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You don't know a lot of Muslims do you? Devoutness of a Muslim has literally no correlation with their propensity to commit violence. Most attempts at explaining a complex phenomenon by pointing to a single cause are usually gross simplifications of the complexity that is reality. Nice try though.
    You are making assumption about me on a whim.

    I literally grew up with muslims during my childhood years and our family were almost slaughtered by them out of no reason on a clear sunny day. Our village sat just across from theirs by the river. We were bombarded with their loud islamic call to prayer known as adhān five times a day as early as 5 a.m. Funny thing is, I never heard any people in our village complained about it. I guess it was accepted as part of our daily life that we just got on with our life that most had to get up very early to go to work and struggled through long hours to put food on the table.

    I know enough to tell you that when muslims are secular, they can be friendly to get along. And when muslims are devout, they are hateful towards the infidels and can be very dangerous when things donít go their way. Secular muslims maybe secular now, but there is no guarantee that they will always remain secular and not become devout when the wind blows in different direction. In fact, the chances for them to turn devout and therefore violent is very high. Itís only a matter of time and circumstance.

    And when violence does hit, you donít even know what or how it happens. Itís like living with a silent lethal volcano brewing within its belly about to explode and yet it shows no sign of what is about to come your way. And if you watch the islamic violence worldwide, you would notice that in most cases they loved to cause violent mayhem on Friday after their mosque prayers or on their islamic holy day.

    During the Friday or islamic holy day of their intended violence, all imams had to do is to quote the violent verses from the quran and the ahadith pertaining to what their prophet did to the infidels and that will definitely incite their followers into a violent frenzy.

    Even during mohammedís days, his followers were told that it is the highest virtue for muslims to kill and be killed for the cause of allah against the infidels. Just like the secular muslims of today, in mohammadís days there were also secular muslims who disliked fighting or war, but mohammed told them that fighting is prescribed for them by allah. He told them that they might feel fighting and killing another group of people was wrong but allah always know what is better for them. Those muslims who still refused to fight in islamic war of terror were condemned by mohammed as hypocites and renegades. According to mohammadís edict, the penalty for renegade or apostate is death. So here you go, devoutness of a muslim certainly has literally correlation with his/her propensity to commit violence by the command of allah in quran and by the example of mohammed in the ahadith.

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    In my particular case, the first islamic terror attack on our village occurred on an Islamic auspicious day of their prophet mohammed’s birthday. I was about 7 or 8 years old at that time. On that day, there was an Islamic procession coming from the mosque at the muslim village passing through the road in font of out village on their way to the grand mosque downtown. Just like any kids, I was curious and excited to watch the colorful parade that was coming our way. So my mom and my brother and sister, together with our neighbors were standing outside in front of our house to watch the parade. Later in the day, we came out to watch the parade as they made their return trip to their mosque. After the parade was over, we stayed in front of our house as my mom was chatting with neighbors and we kids were playing. Then, all of a sudden we look yonder and saw some violent commotion coming from the direction of the mosque from the muslim village. We saw non-muslims were being attacked and pursued by the muslims running towards our direction.

    Sensing danger, my mom immediately pulled us kids into the house and locked the door behind us. We herded together in the bedroom with the door shut hoping that the invaders wouldn’t breakdown the doors and stormed into our house to slaughter us. At that time my dad was still out working and had no idea what was happening to us. We were crying and I asked my mom why they would want to harm us. We heard loud banging right in front of our front door as they came into our village. But, luckily there were still some young men in our village who managed to fight back against the Islamic onslaught with whatever weapons they could find. At one point, the govt emergency task force came and fired tear gas to disperse the fighters. We didn’t know what was going on and why our eyes and lungs were burning. I asked my mom: “Are we going to die?” In tears she said, “If we are going to die, we have to die together” while embracing us together and telling us to cover our noise with blankets and against the bed mattress. The fighting persisted on and off for more than a week. At night, the darkness was very frightening to us kids amid the violence.

    The second Islamic terror outbreak occurred less than two months later. It was on a Friday after the Islamic Friday prayer. This time they intended to burn down our whole village. When they started to shoot fire from the tower of their mosque, my father took us to another part of the country to stay for a while with relatives while he returned to fight the Islamic invaders. All in all, few hundred people were slaughtered. Some, even children were beheaded or dismembered for no apparent reason. It was later learnt the Islamic slaughter was for stupid reason arising from their dislike on something in a political debate. That something was a suggestion that all citizens of the country should be called the same without regards to their ethnicity. But, the muslims found that it was an insult to their religion.

    Now, given that most liberals in America don’t grow up with muslims in their lifetime, but if you were to read the ahadith, which is the islamic collections of what their prophet and his early followers did during the rise of islam, you will understand that islamic evil is not a complex phenomenon. You will also understand why and how the present muslims can be turned into violent jihadists in no time since it is commanded by their allah in the quran to follow the example of mohammad as the perfect model for mankind for all times.

    You will then know the difference as when a Christian become devout and follow the example of Jesus, he/she will forgive, serve soup kitchen, provide shelters to homeless and hand out clothing and other necessities to people in needs. They do that not only on Christmas, but everyday. But, when a muslim become devout, or an infildel converted into islam and become religious, he/she would be vengeful and will begin to harbor, plot and causw violence. We have this happens over and over again in Europe and in America. Yet, liberals like would still support the cause of evil for your own down fall. When islam gets the upper hand, the first to be slaughtered and beheaded are the liberals. They only tolerate you for the time being as useful idiuts.

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Now, given that most liberals in America don’t grow up with muslims in their lifetime, but if you were to read the ahadith, which is the islamic collections of what their prophet and his early followers did during the rise of islam, you will understand that islamic evil is not a complex phenomenon. You will also understand why and how the present muslims can be turned into violent jihadists in no time since it is commanded by their allah in the quran to follow the example of mohammad as the perfect model for mankind for all times.
    I have grown up with muslims and some of my best friends are muslims. I personally find adherence to any religion problematic, but in America the vast majority of Muslims ARE secular, and I think that's a great thing. Now I don't know where you're from or where you've lived but I can appreciate that your experiences have colored your opinion of Islam in general. But no matter how you spin it religion is never the SOLE factor in explaining something like extremist violence.
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    You will then know the difference as when a Christian become devout and follow the example of Jesus, he/she will forgive, serve soup kitchen, provide shelters to homeless and hand out clothing and other necessities to people in needs. They do that not only on Christmas, but everyday. But, when a muslim become devout, or an infildel converted into islam and become religious, he/she would be vengeful and will begin to harbor, plot and causw violence. We have this happens over and over again in Europe and in America. Yet, liberals like would still support the cause of evil for your own down fall. When islam gets the upper hand, the first to be slaughtered and beheaded are the liberals. They only tolerate you for the time being as useful idiuts.
    You are describing only a small fraction of "devout" Muslims, way to generalize. If Islam is inherently evil and violent? Explain to me why devout Muslims in the largest Muslim country in the world aren't blowing the **** outta people? Now don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those liberals who believe that Islam is a "religion of peace." I think ascribing the label of "peace" or "war" to any particular religion is a gross oversimplification of reality. But again, you are engaging in sweeping generalizations based on your own personal experience.
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    In islamic countries where muslims are the largest (majority) in the land, why would they want to blow up everything of their own when they can oppress and kill any infidels at will with impunity? Just look at how they treat non-muslims in Parkistan or the Copts in Egypt. Why do muslims in general in islamic majority countries behaved so violently all the time against Christians and other non-muslims for mundane excuses such as in Indonesia?

    In non-islamic countries such as Europe or North America, they haven't reached the majority to give them the upper hand to have all the devout muslims to blow up big time in infidel lands. To do so would be exposing their own cover as so called "religion of peace" which many liberals still embrace. To do so would only spell their inevitable quick demise on global scale since all infidels will see their true evil colors. They can no longer make the big excuse that islam was hijacked by the extreme fanarics.

    Also, in the ahadith and quran muslims were told by mohammad to lay low in infidel lands when they are weak and to rise up when they have the upper hand. The life of mohammed itself demonstrated this very islamic principle. When mohammed was weak while starting out as a prophet in mecca, his quranic verses were very tame with good sayings. When he became powerful in medina as a stateman and warlord with the upper hand, he became mercilessly brutal in bloodshed and violence.

    You can see what mayhem muslims caused in Europe such as France when the muslim population reaches the teen percent wth some providing financial or moral support on the background. For heaven's sake read islam's own history in which devout muslims will always gloat about their past islamic bloodshed and violence. They will even hold up cardboard signs to remind Jews and infidels of what their prophet did to them in Khaybar. Remember the pic of that sign in muslim demosnstration in England few years ago?

    You're a hardcore lib that I'ii not waste my time on.
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    In islamic countries where muslims are the largest (majority) in the land, why would they want to blow up everything of their own when they can oppress and kill any infidels at will with impunity? Just look at how they treat non-muslims in Parkistan or the Copts in Egypt. Why muslims in general in islamic majority countries behaved so violently all the time on Christians and other non-muslims for mundane excuses such as in Indonesia?
    What makes you think I don't have a problem with these things? My problem is with you attempting to explain all of this by pointing at one factor: religion. Do I have problems with Islam? Yes of course I do. But if you want to understand why this is happening, pointing at religion ONLY doesn't not explain it. You've given me a bunch of anecdotes and not much proof of causal relationship.

    In non-islamic countries such as Europe or North America, they haven't reached the majority to give them the upper hand to have all the devout muslims to blow up big time in infidel lands. To do so would be exposing their own cover as so called "religion of peace" ehich many liberals still embrace. To do so would only spell their inevitable quick demise on global scale since all infildels will see their true evil colors. They can no longer make the big excuse that islam was hijacked by the extreme fanarics. Also, in the ahadith and quran muslims were told by mohammad to lay low in infidel lands when they are weak and to rise up when they have the upper hand. The life of mohammed itself demonstrated this very islamic principle. When mohammed was weak while starting out as a prophet in mecca, his quranic verses were very tame with good sayings. When he became powerful in medina as a stateman and warlord with the upper hand, he became mercilessly brutal in bloodshed and violence.
    I'm a history major, you don't have to tell me this, and this is why I said I don't believe Islam is a "religion of peace." But I should point out that similar passages exist in the Old Testament, and the existence of such passages doesn't not inherently make Christianity or Judaism "religions of war".

    You're a hardcore lib thar I'ii not waste my time on.
    My views are based on reality, and reality is complex. To simply label a problem rather than find out the root causes is against my nature. And the reality is that devoutness of a Muslim has little correlation with his propensity to commit violence.
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    What makes you think I don't have a problem with these things? My problem is with you attempting to explain all of this by pointing at one factor: religion. Do I have problems with Islam? Yes of course I do. But if you want to understand why this is happening, pointing at religion ONLY doesn't not explain it. You've given me a bunch of anecdotes and not much proof of causal relationship.



    I'm a history major, you don't have to tell me this, and this is why I said I don't believe Islam is a "religion of peace." But I should point out that similar passages exist in the Old Testament, and the existence of such passages doesn't not inherently make Christianity or Judaism "religions of war".



    My views are based on reality, and reality is complex. To simply label a problem rather than find out the root causes is against my nature. And the reality is that devoutness of a Muslim has little correlation with his propensity to commit violence.
    Let me make it short since I don't have much time.

    The only violent cult that is recognized by the world as religion is islam.

    The islamic cult teaching and behavior towards its followers is no difference than the Peoples Temple cult of jim jones. In jim jones' case, our govt chased them out and caused them to annihilate themselves when they slaughtered a few of our people. Like islam, they kill their followers who want to leave the cults. Like islam, not all jim jones cult members were violent people. Most were women, old ladies and children who just want peace and to be left alone to practice their "religion" away from the oppression of the US govt.

    Just because majority of those women, old ladies, children followers were non-violent doesn't mean that jim jones' "religious" philosophy wasn't violent. Likewise, in dealing with islam. Just bwecause there are non-violent muslims in the cult of islam doesn't mean that islam is not violent but a religion. Just read jims jones' and islam's teaching for their worth. The followers are simply sheeps led to the slaughter. They are vicitims of violent cults, no matter how people want to call them.

    Now, do you not use a broad brush to condemn jim jones' and david koresh's religious teaching as violent cult despite some non-violent followers?

    I view muslims and those born helplessly into muslim family as victims of this evil cult the same way I view followers of jim jones and david koresh as victims of their respective cults. I want them to see the truth and be delivered and free from this evil cult. But, you other hand want to legitimize this evil cult as "religion" to keep this evil going and going to victimize its own followers to cause more harm and destructions to innocent people of the world. Can't you see the big picture? Why do you want muslims to be oppress by this evil cult? Do you want jim jones' or david koresh's members to continue believing in their lies and violent teaching?

    The violence in OT was a narrative account of events against evil occurring in the ancient past. As stated in the OT God gave them 500 years to turn from their evil before he judged them. There were great evil then as there are great evil now that deserved to be eliminated for good.

    But, according to the NT, God again gives men time to turn from this great evil. He also wants to let us see how evil humans can get under the influence of evil without His intervention. Thus, He will let evil runs its course and His judgement will one day come in His time. Unlike the quran which commands violence on infidels for all times, the narrative event in OT wasn't God's open-ended commanded to kill non-believers. That's the difference.
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    They invaded London with their jihadi army? Some D-Day sort of thing I missed?
    Here you go with the runaround again.

    Someone asked: And WTF is a "legitimate war zone"?

    You answered The neighborhoods of the worlds poor, obviously.

    I was pointing out that jiadis attack other places than the neighborhoods of the worlds poor.

    Did you miss that?
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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Here you go with the runaround again.

    Someone asked: And WTF is a "legitimate war zone"?

    You answered The neighborhoods of the worlds poor, obviously.

    I was pointing out that jiadis attack other places than the neighborhoods of the worlds poor.

    Did you miss that?
    You expect them to bomb their own neighborhoods? Some instance of flawed logic has resulted in some misunderstanding.

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    Re: Two U.S. Soldiers Reportedly Killed in Shooting at Germany's Frankfurt Airport

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    You expect them to bomb their own neighborhoods? Some instance of flawed logic has resulted in some misunderstanding.
    In other words, they don't just attack poor neighborhoods. Got it.
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