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Young man confronts Zeta Cartel and kills two of them

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Agencia El Universal / Provincia
28/02/2011 -
México, DF.- The mayor of the Francisco R. Murguía county, better known as ''Nieves'', Alfredo Ortiz del Rio, confirmed that a gun battle took place between a group of Zeta gunmen and a young man resident of the town.
The mayor in an interview with Denise Maerker, of Radio Formula, said that only one person confronted the gunmen during a gunfight that lasted around 40 minutes.
According to the mayor, a group of gunmen had ordered a town representative to ask the people to hand over their guns.
After three days the gunmen returned, but this time they were looking for a person, but one of his sons confronted them.
The father of the young man was out of town, but his son fought with one of the gunmen and killed him; he then took the gunman's rifle and confronted the entire convoy of 3 trucks and managed too kill another Zeta.
The young man survived with no injuries after being attacked with guns and hand grenades.
The mayor said the police and army are now doing patrols in this rural community.
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This man has balls of steel.
 
If only more brave men like him stood up to those thugs. But I am sure some people will condemn him for taking the law into his own hands.
 
He's dead. The Zeta's are going come gunning for him. Too bad no one else will stand up to help him.
 
He's dead. The Zeta's are going come gunning for him. Too bad no one else will stand up to help him.

Its true. He is dead and so is his family. In Juarez, some cartel men-from the Juarez cartel-went to extort a businessman. And the businessman fought back and killed one of them. Several months later the cartel went to his house and killed him and his family members. So that is what happens when you stand up and fight against the cartels.
 
If only more brave men like him stood up to those thugs. But I am sure some people will condemn him for taking the law into his own hands.

It's very difficult for a group of people to be brave when they're fighting against a sociopathic organization that takes in millions if not billions internationally and uses that money to hire professionally trained, well-equipped paramilitary operatives for so much wealth they could literally buy a typical Mexican town.

The people who you want to be brave, by comparison, are lucky to earn enough for a pistol or a hunting rifle.

And I know you may say that I'm wrong and that Mexico is full of guns. Which is true. But the thing is is that those guns are usually bought by the cartels for the cartels to use.

I don't think that we should be asking the Mexican people to be brave and to risk their lives to engage in violence against the cartels. Rather, I think we should start asking the American people to be brave and finally legalize recreational drugs and allow people to get high to prevent this type of violence from organized crime cartels.
 
It's very difficult for a group of people to be brave when they're fighting against a sociopathic organization that takes in millions if not billions internationally and uses that money to hire professionally trained, well-equipped paramilitary operatives for so much wealth they could literally buy a typical Mexican town.

The people who you want to be brave, by comparison, are lucky to earn enough for a pistol or a hunting rifle.

And I know you may say that I'm wrong and that Mexico is full of guns. Which is true. But the thing is is that those guns are usually bought by the cartels for the cartels to use.

I don't think that we should be asking the Mexican people to be brave and to risk their lives to engage in violence against the cartels. Rather, I think we should start asking the American people to be brave and finally legalize recreational drugs and allow people to get high to prevent this type of violence from organized crime cartels.

I wanted to post a bunch of articles about the War in Mexico. But people here rarely care about anything outside the U.S. Even though Mexico is so close. These drug cartels have been making billions of dollars for over a decade. They have had the chance to seriously arm themselves. It is a serious war. Not still on the scale of Colombia, but that has more to do with fear. The drug cartels fear having the US so close to them. Its true and I know that many of you won't believe me.

Anyways, the articles are on how the drug cartels go into towns. And they tell the villagers to come outside of their homes. The villagers leave their homes because they are being confronted with men armed with assualt rifles and grenades. Once the villagers are out of their homes the cartels burn all of the houses. There have even been recent cases where the cartels kill everyone in houses. They don't even bother waking up the villagers. They just come during the middle of the night and burn the homes with the people inside them. Little children, elderly, innocent people all killed. The government can't stop that.

There though lies the problem. Even the military is afraid to confront the cartels. That is seriously how poorly equiped the military is. Also this brings up. Perhaps, the Mexican military is highlighting for the drug cartels. That is the only way that they can create as many ghost towns they have.



For those of you who can understand Spanish. This is an interview with the young man.
 
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There though lies the problem. Even the military is afraid to confront the cartels. That is seriously how poorly equiped the military is. Also this brings up. Perhaps, the Mexican military is highlighting for the drug cartels. That is the only way that they can create as many ghost towns they have.

Actually, that's not quite what happens.

What happens is that the U.S. sends millions of dollars to Mexico to equip their military with assault weapons and train them in the use of tactics.

But then those military personnel realize that with their assault weapons and tactical training they can make more money by starting a cartel of their own. So after they take down the cartels as competition, they leave the military and fill in the vacuum to provide drugs.

And the cycle starts all over again.
 
I don't know where you got that information Samsmart, could you provide some links? I majored in Homeland Security and learned about the four major cartels south of the border. One of those is the Zetas. They have been making billions of dollars annually. In fact ATF agents found equipment for making roadside bombs not too far back. The Mexican military actually gets "cycled" out of various towns. This is done to prevent military men from joining the Cartels. The police in Mexico are next to worthless, because they are so scared, which is understandable. The Mexican military is so underfunded compared to the cartels it is a joke. Yes we aid the Mexican government with some black hawks and other equipment but it's not nearly enough. Look up one of the torture methods used by the cartels "El Guiso" and tell me that wouldn't scare you as well. The Cartels are noted of going into schools and taking all the teachers Christmas Bonus's and any other means of money. If you refuse they will kill you on the spot, and than go kill your family. I'm talking Barrett 50 Cals are being used by the Cartels. Yes roadside bombs are being used now. This situation is out of control. I learned that the Pentagon has a list of states that they believe will fail in the near future, at the time of my class Pakistan was at the top followed by Mexico. On the border stores that sell guns are selling them to these scum bags and making the problems even worse. It's pathetic, dangerous, and a very real danger. This man is more than likely dead, but he was very brave and I hope he can make it out somehow.
 


For those of you who can understand Spanish. This is an interview with the young man.


I do understand Spanish and this is an interview with the Mayor, not the guy himself, unfortuantely.
 
It's very difficult for a group of people to be brave when they're fighting against a sociopathic organization that takes in millions if not billions internationally and uses that money to hire professionally trained, well-equipped paramilitary operatives for so much wealth they could literally buy a typical Mexican town.

The people who you want to be brave, by comparison, are lucky to earn enough for a pistol or a hunting rifle.

And I know you may say that I'm wrong and that Mexico is full of guns. Which is true. But the thing is is that those guns are usually bought by the cartels for the cartels to use.

I don't think that we should be asking the Mexican people to be brave and to risk their lives to engage in violence against the cartels. Rather, I think we should start asking the American people to be brave and finally legalize recreational drugs and allow people to get high to prevent this type of violence from organized crime cartels.

I've really got to ask you if you really believe that last paragraph of yours? Do you think that we are the ONLY country with citizens that do illegal drugs? If the answer to this is "no we are not the only ones" then why do you think that the US making drugs legal would stop these cartels? Because it won't. They will just shift thier enterprises to some other country or some other type of drug that will still be illegal.
 
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Corrupt Mexican Army Officer in Calderon’s Inner Circle Supplied Drug Cartels with Weapons | NSSF Blog

The Article said:
Knowledge that the cartels are obtaining firearms from corrupt military and law enforcement personnel is nothing new. In recent years, more than 150,000 Mexican troops have defected to work for the cartels – taking their U.S. made service-rifles with them.


US-trained cartel terrorises Mexico - Features - Al Jazeera English

The Article said:
Some of the cartel's initial members were elite Mexican troops, trained in the early 1990s by America’s 7th Special Forces Group or "snake eaters" at Ft. Bragg, North Carolina, a former US special operations commander has told Al Jazeera.

“They were given map reading courses, communications, standard special forces training, light to heavy weapons, machine guns and automatic weapons,” says Craig Deare, the former special forces commander who is now a professor at the US National Defence University.

"I had some visibility on what was happening, because this [issue] was related to things I was doing in the Pentagon in the 1990s," Deare, who also served as country director in the office of the US Secretary of Defence, says.

The Mexican personnel who received US training and later formed the Zetas came from the Airmobile Special Forces Group (GAFE), which is considered an elite division of the Mexican military.

Their US training was designed to prepare them for counter-insurgency and, ironically, counter-narcotics operations, although Deare says they were not taught the most advanced commando techniques available at Ft. Bragg.

Military forces from around the world train at Ft. Bragg, so there is nothing unique about Mexican operatives learning counter-insurgency tactics at the facility. However, critics say the specific skills learned by the Zetas primed them for careers as contract killers and drug dealers.


Los Zetas Cartel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Article said:
Los Zetas Cartel is a criminal organization in Mexico dedicated mostly to international illegal drug trade, assassinations, and other organized crime activities. This drug cartel was founded by a small group of Mexican Army Special Forces deserters and now includes corrupt former federal, state, and local police officers, as well as ex-Kaibiles from Guatemala.
 
I've really got to ask you if you really believe that last paragraph of yours? Do you think that we are the ONLY country with citizens that do illegal drugs? If the answer to this is "no we are not the only ones" then why do you think that the US making drugs legal would stop these cartels? Because it won't. They will just shift thier enterprises to some other country or some other type of drug that will still be illegal.

Yes, I really do believe that.

Other countries don't share the border with Mexico. Border violence directly affects the United States. Also, I'm pretty sure that the U.S. gives the most amount in foreign aid for anti-drug efforts. So rather than spending that money on actions to try to limit the drug trade and doesn't work, we should allow people to spend their money voluntarily in commerce that is non-violent.

And I think that recreational drugs should be legal internationally. So America should legalize drugs, but so should France, Britain, Italy, Russia, and China.

And yes, criminal organizations will attempt some other crimes to profit off of. But by legalizing recreational drugs, we can use all the money we currently spend on the drug war and retask it to those other crimes.
 
It's very difficult for a group of people to be brave when they're fighting against a sociopathic organization that takes in millions if not billions internationally and uses that money to hire professionally trained, well-equipped paramilitary operatives for so much wealth they could literally buy a typical Mexican town.

The people who you want to be brave, by comparison, are lucky to earn enough for a pistol or a hunting rifle.

And I know you may say that I'm wrong and that Mexico is full of guns. Which is true. But the thing is is that those guns are usually bought by the cartels for the cartels to use.

I don't think that we should be asking the Mexican people to be brave and to risk their lives to engage in violence against the cartels. Rather, I think we should start asking the American people to be brave and finally legalize recreational drugs and allow people to get high to prevent this type of violence from organized crime cartels.

that.


and deploy US Special Forces to do their job and train the locales to hunt down the cartels.
 
that.


and deploy US Special Forces to do their job and train the locales to hunt down the cartels.

And, in addition to tightening up border controls to prevent illegal immigrants crossing from south to north, start cracking down on shipments of illegal arms crossing from north to south. I believe most of the cartels' arms are coming from the US.
 
And, in addition to tightening up border controls to prevent illegal immigrants crossing from south to north, start cracking down on shipments of illegal arms crossing from north to south. I believe most of the cartels' arms are coming from the US.

Well, if we were to legalize recreational drugs, then Mexico and South American countries would have a larger legal economic base from which they can profit domestically. Which would mean that they would have enough jobs utilizing the resources of their land that they wouldn't need to go elsewhere to seek a good paycheck. Which would mean that illegal immigrants wouldn't want to travel to the U.S. for jobs.

Legalize recreational drugs in the U.S. and you take away the reasons why illegal immigrants from Mexico and South America come to the United States.
 
I do understand Spanish and this is an interview with the Mayor, not the guy himself, unfortuantely.

I must have not been listening to the video then. Ok, you are right. Its the mayor. My bad.
 
Actually, that's not quite what happens.

What happens is that the U.S. sends millions of dollars to Mexico to equip their military with assault weapons and train them in the use of tactics.

But then those military personnel realize that with their assault weapons and tactical training they can make more money by starting a cartel of their own. So after they take down the cartels as competition, they leave the military and fill in the vacuum to provide drugs.

And the cycle starts all over again.

Actually you might be mistaken. But Rightwing is a bit closer than you were, which is why I gave him a like.

The military and federal police get cycled in Mexico. That is a way to avoid possible fascism. This gives the leadership in the federal police and military and many soldiers a lot of experience. Because they move around a lot; they get to understand how different the nation is and they also can't ever settle in. If they settled in that would allow them time to gain influence politically. And that is something the Mexican government does not want.

One of the major problems is that Guatamala also gets a lot of military aide from the U.S. Probably even more than Mexico. And Guatamala is poorer than Mexico and they border Mexico to the south. So its easier for the cartels to get Guatamalan soldiers to act as footsoldiers. And many do compare to the Mexican military.
 
Yes, I really do believe that.

Other countries don't share the border with Mexico. Border violence directly affects the United States. Also, I'm pretty sure that the U.S. gives the most amount in foreign aid for anti-drug efforts. So rather than spending that money on actions to try to limit the drug trade and doesn't work, we should allow people to spend their money voluntarily in commerce that is non-violent.

And I think that recreational drugs should be legal internationally. So America should legalize drugs, but so should France, Britain, Italy, Russia, and China.

And yes, criminal organizations will attempt some other crimes to profit off of. But by legalizing recreational drugs, we can use all the money we currently spend on the drug war and retask it to those other crimes.

Sorry, I decided to make a thread to address drugs...yes a new one. I didn't want to derail this thread anymore.

Link
 
And, in addition to tightening up border controls to prevent illegal immigrants crossing from south to north, start cracking down on shipments of illegal arms crossing from north to south. I believe most of the cartels' arms are coming from the US.

But the problem there is that many Americans don't believe that. But here is an ATF guy saying he was told to allow for guns to be trafficked down to Mexico:


March 4, 2011 8:34 AM
WASHINGTON - Federal agent John Dodson says what he was asked to do was beyond belief.

He was intentionally letting guns go to Mexico?

"Yes ma'am," Dodson told CBS News. "The agency was."

An Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms senior agent assigned to the Phoenix office in 2010, Dodson's job is to stop gun trafficking across the border. Instead, he says he was ordered to sit by and watch it happen.

Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico - CBS Evening News - CBS News
 
There are two fundamental problems here, IMO:

1. We do not have control of our borders, and who or what crosses same.

2. Mexico does not have an effective government capable of exercising a reasonable degree of control and providing a reasonable degree of security and order to its citizens.

We may not be able to do anything about #2, but we could darn sure fix #1 if we really wanted to.
 
That's quite a shocking report. At what point are the ATF going to stop 'tracking' the shipment of arms and start preventing it?

Its not likely to stop tracking or preventing it. I really do believe that the American's are just saying. As long as it does not hurt us it is none of our business.
 
There are two fundamental problems here, IMO:

1. We do not have control of our borders, and who or what crosses same.

2. Mexico does not have an effective government capable of exercising a reasonable degree of control and providing a reasonable degree of security and order to its citizens.

We may not be able to do anything about #2, but we could darn sure fix #1 if we really wanted to.

So, why doesn't it happen? Instead of Arizona instituting draconian laws against immigrants once they are there, why not divert resources to securing the border - in both directions?
 
Its not likely to stop tracking or preventing it.

sure it will. simple supply and demand. raise the price of narco-terrorism in units of narco-terrorist blood, and watch supply fall.
 
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