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    Re: Young man confronts Zeta Cartel and kills two of them

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    It's very difficult for a group of people to be brave when they're fighting against a sociopathic organization that takes in millions if not billions internationally and uses that money to hire professionally trained, well-equipped paramilitary operatives for so much wealth they could literally buy a typical Mexican town.

    The people who you want to be brave, by comparison, are lucky to earn enough for a pistol or a hunting rifle.

    And I know you may say that I'm wrong and that Mexico is full of guns. Which is true. But the thing is is that those guns are usually bought by the cartels for the cartels to use.

    I don't think that we should be asking the Mexican people to be brave and to risk their lives to engage in violence against the cartels. Rather, I think we should start asking the American people to be brave and finally legalize recreational drugs and allow people to get high to prevent this type of violence from organized crime cartels.
    I've really got to ask you if you really believe that last paragraph of yours? Do you think that we are the ONLY country with citizens that do illegal drugs? If the answer to this is "no we are not the only ones" then why do you think that the US making drugs legal would stop these cartels? Because it won't. They will just shift thier enterprises to some other country or some other type of drug that will still be illegal.
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    Re: Young man confronts Zeta Cartel and kills two of them

    Corrupt Mexican Army Officer in Calderon’s Inner Circle Supplied Drug Cartels with Weapons | NSSF Blog

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    Knowledge that the cartels are obtaining firearms from corrupt military and law enforcement personnel is nothing new. In recent years, more than 150,000 Mexican troops have defected to work for the cartels – taking their U.S. made service-rifles with them.

    US-trained cartel terrorises Mexico - Features - Al Jazeera English

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    Some of the cartel's initial members were elite Mexican troops, trained in the early 1990s by America’s 7th Special Forces Group or "snake eaters" at Ft. Bragg, North Carolina, a former US special operations commander has told Al Jazeera.

    “They were given map reading courses, communications, standard special forces training, light to heavy weapons, machine guns and automatic weapons,” says Craig Deare, the former special forces commander who is now a professor at the US National Defence University.

    "I had some visibility on what was happening, because this [issue] was related to things I was doing in the Pentagon in the 1990s," Deare, who also served as country director in the office of the US Secretary of Defence, says.

    The Mexican personnel who received US training and later formed the Zetas came from the Airmobile Special Forces Group (GAFE), which is considered an elite division of the Mexican military.

    Their US training was designed to prepare them for counter-insurgency and, ironically, counter-narcotics operations, although Deare says they were not taught the most advanced commando techniques available at Ft. Bragg.

    Military forces from around the world train at Ft. Bragg, so there is nothing unique about Mexican operatives learning counter-insurgency tactics at the facility. However, critics say the specific skills learned by the Zetas primed them for careers as contract killers and drug dealers.

    Los Zetas Cartel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Los Zetas Cartel is a criminal organization in Mexico dedicated mostly to international illegal drug trade, assassinations, and other organized crime activities. This drug cartel was founded by a small group of Mexican Army Special Forces deserters and now includes corrupt former federal, state, and local police officers, as well as ex-Kaibiles from Guatemala.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Young man confronts Zeta Cartel and kills two of them

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I've really got to ask you if you really believe that last paragraph of yours? Do you think that we are the ONLY country with citizens that do illegal drugs? If the answer to this is "no we are not the only ones" then why do you think that the US making drugs legal would stop these cartels? Because it won't. They will just shift thier enterprises to some other country or some other type of drug that will still be illegal.
    Yes, I really do believe that.

    Other countries don't share the border with Mexico. Border violence directly affects the United States. Also, I'm pretty sure that the U.S. gives the most amount in foreign aid for anti-drug efforts. So rather than spending that money on actions to try to limit the drug trade and doesn't work, we should allow people to spend their money voluntarily in commerce that is non-violent.

    And I think that recreational drugs should be legal internationally. So America should legalize drugs, but so should France, Britain, Italy, Russia, and China.

    And yes, criminal organizations will attempt some other crimes to profit off of. But by legalizing recreational drugs, we can use all the money we currently spend on the drug war and retask it to those other crimes.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Young man confronts Zeta Cartel and kills two of them

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    It's very difficult for a group of people to be brave when they're fighting against a sociopathic organization that takes in millions if not billions internationally and uses that money to hire professionally trained, well-equipped paramilitary operatives for so much wealth they could literally buy a typical Mexican town.

    The people who you want to be brave, by comparison, are lucky to earn enough for a pistol or a hunting rifle.

    And I know you may say that I'm wrong and that Mexico is full of guns. Which is true. But the thing is is that those guns are usually bought by the cartels for the cartels to use.

    I don't think that we should be asking the Mexican people to be brave and to risk their lives to engage in violence against the cartels. Rather, I think we should start asking the American people to be brave and finally legalize recreational drugs and allow people to get high to prevent this type of violence from organized crime cartels.
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    and deploy US Special Forces to do their job and train the locales to hunt down the cartels.

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    Re: Young man confronts Zeta Cartel and kills two of them

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    and deploy US Special Forces to do their job and train the locales to hunt down the cartels.
    And, in addition to tightening up border controls to prevent illegal immigrants crossing from south to north, start cracking down on shipments of illegal arms crossing from north to south. I believe most of the cartels' arms are coming from the US.
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    Re: Young man confronts Zeta Cartel and kills two of them

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    And, in addition to tightening up border controls to prevent illegal immigrants crossing from south to north, start cracking down on shipments of illegal arms crossing from north to south. I believe most of the cartels' arms are coming from the US.
    Well, if we were to legalize recreational drugs, then Mexico and South American countries would have a larger legal economic base from which they can profit domestically. Which would mean that they would have enough jobs utilizing the resources of their land that they wouldn't need to go elsewhere to seek a good paycheck. Which would mean that illegal immigrants wouldn't want to travel to the U.S. for jobs.

    Legalize recreational drugs in the U.S. and you take away the reasons why illegal immigrants from Mexico and South America come to the United States.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Young man confronts Zeta Cartel and kills two of them

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I do understand Spanish and this is an interview with the Mayor, not the guy himself, unfortuantely.
    I must have not been listening to the video then. Ok, you are right. Its the mayor. My bad.

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    Re: Young man confronts Zeta Cartel and kills two of them

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Actually, that's not quite what happens.

    What happens is that the U.S. sends millions of dollars to Mexico to equip their military with assault weapons and train them in the use of tactics.

    But then those military personnel realize that with their assault weapons and tactical training they can make more money by starting a cartel of their own. So after they take down the cartels as competition, they leave the military and fill in the vacuum to provide drugs.

    And the cycle starts all over again.
    Actually you might be mistaken. But Rightwing is a bit closer than you were, which is why I gave him a like.

    The military and federal police get cycled in Mexico. That is a way to avoid possible fascism. This gives the leadership in the federal police and military and many soldiers a lot of experience. Because they move around a lot; they get to understand how different the nation is and they also can't ever settle in. If they settled in that would allow them time to gain influence politically. And that is something the Mexican government does not want.

    One of the major problems is that Guatamala also gets a lot of military aide from the U.S. Probably even more than Mexico. And Guatamala is poorer than Mexico and they border Mexico to the south. So its easier for the cartels to get Guatamalan soldiers to act as footsoldiers. And many do compare to the Mexican military.

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    Re: Young man confronts Zeta Cartel and kills two of them

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Yes, I really do believe that.

    Other countries don't share the border with Mexico. Border violence directly affects the United States. Also, I'm pretty sure that the U.S. gives the most amount in foreign aid for anti-drug efforts. So rather than spending that money on actions to try to limit the drug trade and doesn't work, we should allow people to spend their money voluntarily in commerce that is non-violent.

    And I think that recreational drugs should be legal internationally. So America should legalize drugs, but so should France, Britain, Italy, Russia, and China.

    And yes, criminal organizations will attempt some other crimes to profit off of. But by legalizing recreational drugs, we can use all the money we currently spend on the drug war and retask it to those other crimes.
    Sorry, I decided to make a thread to address drugs...yes a new one. I didn't want to derail this thread anymore.

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    Re: Young man confronts Zeta Cartel and kills two of them

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    And, in addition to tightening up border controls to prevent illegal immigrants crossing from south to north, start cracking down on shipments of illegal arms crossing from north to south. I believe most of the cartels' arms are coming from the US.
    But the problem there is that many Americans don't believe that. But here is an ATF guy saying he was told to allow for guns to be trafficked down to Mexico:


    March 4, 2011 8:34 AM
    WASHINGTON - Federal agent John Dodson says what he was asked to do was beyond belief.

    He was intentionally letting guns go to Mexico?

    "Yes ma'am," Dodson told CBS News. "The agency was."

    An Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms senior agent assigned to the Phoenix office in 2010, Dodson's job is to stop gun trafficking across the border. Instead, he says he was ordered to sit by and watch it happen.
    Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico - CBS Evening News - CBS News

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