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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    yes monoploy status. everyone that wants a certain job is forced to join. it's the worst kind of monopoly, the kind created by government force, not free choice.
    No...what you are really saying is that you want government to have complete control....and that they workers should have no voice. Very anti-american values.
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    anybody living in the midwest would disagree. I'm in northwestern Illinois, but I can see Wisconsin from my backyard. I sense a majority that sides with the governor.
    they don't

    Tuesday, March 1, 2011
    Wisconsin closely divided, but against Walker
    There are two conclusions we can make from our poll on the Wisconsin conflict: the state is very closely divided, but it leans slightly to the union side of things rather than Scott Walker's on pretty much every question we asked.

    On the biggest picture question: do you side with Governor Walker or do you side with the public employee unions 51% of voters in the state go with the unions to 47% who stand with the Governor. On another broad question: do you side more with Governor Walker or with the Democrats in the state Senate, 52% of voters go with the Senate Democrats to 47% who go for Walker. And perhaps the clearest indication that Walker has lost a majority of the voters in the state in this conflict, if only a narrow majority, is that 52% of voters now disapprove of him to only 46% who like the job he's doing. Those numbers are basically the inverse of last fall's election results.

    When it comes to broader questions about rights for public employees in Wisconsin the margins are less narrow. 57% of voters think that workers should have the right to collectively bargain for wages, benefits, and working environment rules compared to only 37% who think they shouldn't have those rights. And 55% of voters think that public employees should have at least the same rights they have now, if not more, compared to only 41% who believe they should have fewer rights.

    Key on both of those questions about rights for public employees is that a majority of both union and non-union households stand with the workers on those issues. Union households support collective bargaining by a 70/26 margin, but non-union households do as well by a narrower 51/42 margin. Union households think public employees should have as many or more rights than they do now by a 66/32 spread, but so do non-union households by a 51/45 one.

    Ultimately one of the biggest questions moving forward is whether a recall of Scott Walker would be a viable avenue for pro-union supporters. Right now it looks like it would be a 50/50 proposition. 48% of voters say they would support a recall, while 48% are opposed. That issue's about as polarized on party lines as it could possibly be- 87% of Democrats support a recall, 90% of Republicans are opposed, and independents split narrowly in favor of it by a 48/46 spread. With such a closely divided state Walker's fate would very much be determined by who could better turn their troops out- last year Democrats were asleep at the wheel and let Walker get elected but it might be a whole different story if voters in the state got a chance to do it again.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    yes monoploy status. everyone that wants a certain job is forced to join. it's the worst kind of monopoly, the kind created by government force, not free choice.
    Politics are the worst kind of monoploy.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    So the government speaks and the workers obey without question????
    the government is we the people. if you don't want to work for the people, nobody is going to force you. find other work. please.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    they don't
    with all the money your cronies are throwing into the state, you should see a bigger discrepancy.

    I'm pretty comfortable with Walkers long term viability.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the government is we the people. if you don't want to work for the people, nobody is going to force you. find other work. please.
    Nice attempt at spin. So in your world, the government is the people and the workers are the establishment. Like I said....so much for that small government that you so-called "conservatives" love to espouse.
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Politics are the worst kind of monoploy.

    With lies, deciet, broken promices backroom deals , and no bid contracks.
    public unions are political. so what's your point?

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the government is we the people. if you don't want to work for the people, nobody is going to force you. find other work. please.
    the employees are agents of the government
    it is the representative bodies that form the government
    here is a real life - and possibly surprising reality - to demonstrate the difference

    the police
    they do not work for you
    they work for the government
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the government is we the people. if you don't want to work for the people, nobody is going to force you. find other work. please.
    The government is the politicians that are elected by the people if the politician should cross a line of neglagence or lie that politician can be replaced by the people.

    AKA Richard Nixon, aka L.B. Johnson ect.

    The politician may be in charge for some time but come voting time people will remember the ocomplishments and mistakes they have made.
    Too many mistakes the scales will tip and they can look for another zip code and another job
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No...what you are really saying is that you want government to have complete control....and that they workers should have no voice. Very anti-american values.
    Have a voice in what? Getting paid double the national average, then demanding that the shortfall in their salaries be made up with a tax hike on the people? In that case, they shouldn't have a voice.
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