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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

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    are you wanting us to believe that an assembly of citizens opposed to collective bargaining gives basis for the state to unilaterally abbrogate the very contract it has entered into?
    You can bloviate about contractural agreements all you want. Case law cites that any contract signed under duress is moot. Have a nice day.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

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    You can bloviate about contractural agreements all you want. Case law cites that any contract signed under duress is moot. Have a nice day.
    yes, that mean ole union put a gun to the state's head and forced it to sign that labor-management contract

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

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    You can bloviate about contractural agreements all you want. Case law cites that any contract signed under duress is moot. Have a nice day.
    That is ridiculous in the extreme. Duress!!!! You are most surely making this up.

    Can you prove this claim with verifiable fact?
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is ridiculous in the extreme. Duress!!!! You are most surely making this up.

    Can you prove this claim with verifiable fact?
    Yeah, it's not duress. See! We agree on something! But not on principle. What a surprise.

    Every contract has an expiration date. Union contracts for teachers (and everyone) expire alllll the time. Deals are renegotiated. When a contract is signed, it is not a lifetime commitment as much as you'd like to believe that it is.
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    I read somewhere, but can't find it again, that the 14 have begun negotiations. They're really, from what I can tell, willing to give up most collective bargaining rights in the current bill but want to keep collective bargaining rights for safety issues and want to change the untion reuathorization vote form yearly to every two years.

    If this is true, they sure are giving a lot - kind of makes me question some of the polls that are out.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I read somewhere, but can't find it again, that the 14 have begun negotiations. They're really, from what I can tell, willing to give up most collective bargaining rights in the current bill but want to keep collective bargaining rights for safety issues and want to change the untion reuathorization vote form yearly to every two years.

    If this is true, they sure are giving a lot - kind of makes me question some of the polls that are out.
    Link? I can't believe this is true; but I certainly support it if it is...
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Link? I can't believe this is true; but I certainly support it if it is...
    I found this . . . (but doesn't give much information.) Glad to know they're talking anyhow...

    By: Gil Halsted, Wisconsin Public Radio, Superior Telegram

    The Republican leader of the Wisconsin state Senate says he met secretly Monday with some of the 14 Senate Democrats who left the state to avoid voting on a bill taking away public employee collective bargaining rights.

    Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald says some of the Senators are ready to return home to vote on the bill.

    Fitzgerald wouldn't say who he met with or how many Senators were there. He says there was no discussion about the substance of the bill that instead they talked about how to arrange for a relatively smooth transition back to business as usual in the capitol. No date was set for the Senators return. But Fitzgerald says he expects talks to continue, and says there appears to be a split in the Senatorís ranks about how long to continue delaying the bill. But Democratic Senator Chris Larson says it's Republicans who are feeling the pressure because of recent polls.
    GOP Senate leader meets some of the missing Democrats | Superior Telegram | Superior, Wisconsin
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I found this . . . (but doesn't give much information.) Glad to know they're talking anyhow...

    GOP Senate leader meets some of the missing Democrats | Superior Telegram | Superior, Wisconsin
    No, not quite what I read, but it had some similarities. This definetly gave some specifics (as previously mentioned). I probably read it at HuffPo, but I really can't find it again.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Guess I didn't read it at huffPo. I stumbled across the article again at Yahoo.finance.

    Wisconsin lawmakers talk but no deal on unions - Yahoo! Finance

    The two sides discussed if unions would be allowed to negotiate workplace safety issues and if union recertification votes could be held every two years instead of annually, as called for in the bill, Hansen told the newspaper.

    "I'm disappointed they wouldn't give us that one (the safety issue) out of hand. It makes as much sense as anything. But we continue to discuss it and hopefully soon we'll come to an agreement," Hansen told the Press-Gazette.

    "I know we won't get all that we want, but we're trying to get as much as we can," he said.

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