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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Is the AFL -CIO still effective? according to some, the leading union organizations haven't been doing their job. Just the opposite, the unions continue to make demands and trade off the benefits and wages ...

    "He is also demanding the ending of any form of collective bargaining, even in the ineffectual and cowardly form in which it is practiced by the existing trade unions. For Walker—and the sections of the capitalist class for which he speaks—the central target is not simply the trade unions. His real aim is to wipe out any form or possibility of organized resistance by the working class to the dictates of the financial-corporate oligarchy and the capitalist state."

    "The response to this attack by the trade union organizations in Wisconsin and nationally—AFSCME, the NEA and the AFL-CIO—is cowardly, duplicitous and politically bankrupt. From the outset, they act as if there is no connection between Walker’s assault on the organizational interests of the union—such as his demand for the elimination of collective bargaining and the end of the automatic dues check off—and the attack on the wages"
    The political issues in the fight against budget cuts

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    To my knowledge they aren't on the chopping block...

    http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...-have-give-sa/

    In short, Fitzgerald said the legislators who will vote on Walker's bill would have to give up the same amount of pay. Aside from the collective bargaining issues, Walker's plan would make state employees pay more for health and pension benefits. And according to the bill, elected officials would take the same hits. We rate Fitzgerald's claim True.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

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    "He is also demanding the ending of any form of collective bargaining, even in the ineffectual and cowardly form in which it is practiced by the existing trade unions. For Walker—and the sections of the capitalist class for which he speaks
    The sections of the Capitalist class? As far as I can see the vast majority of citizens here participate in capitalism & like it. The public sector employees are only a small priviliged and pampered class with Gold & Platinum Benefit plans.

    —the central target is not simply the trade unions. His real aim is to wipe out any form or possibility of organized resistance by the working class to the dictates of the financial-corporate oligarchy and the capitalist state."
    Stated like a true Marxist.

    Please explain how cutting back on a Platinum (State) benefit plan to that of a Gold plated (federal) then saying we're (the working class taxpayers) trying to wipe out Unions? Hardly, the unions will still be there & if they want there gravy train back they can vote Dems in next time, after all you Liberals claim the majority backs these workers. Why dont you show us at the polls next time there is an election because somehow we dont believe you, after all we just had an election that we in the capitalist workers party decided you in the public elitist sector had to share in the pain of the recession as well.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    Is the AFL -CIO still effective? according to some, the leading union organizations haven't been doing their job. Just the opposite, the unions continue to make demands and trade off the benefits and wages ...

    "He is also demanding the ending of any form of collective bargaining, even in the ineffectual and cowardly form in which it is practiced by the existing trade unions. For Walker—and the sections of the capitalist class for which he speaks—the central target is not simply the trade unions. His real aim is to wipe out any form or possibility of organized resistance by the working class to the dictates of the financial-corporate oligarchy and the capitalist state."

    "The response to this attack by the trade union organizations in Wisconsin and nationally—AFSCME, the NEA and the AFL-CIO—is cowardly, duplicitous and politically bankrupt. From the outset, they act as if there is no connection between Walker’s assault on the organizational interests of the union—such as his demand for the elimination of collective bargaining and the end of the automatic dues check off—and the attack on the wages"
    The political issues in the fight against budget cuts
    in bold - This is the part I really think bothers the unions. Right now, and for eternity the Government withheld the dues in the paycheck. Now the members will see for themselves what comes out, and they will have to "write" a check, physically picking up a pen, or typing in the amount in their online account and clicking send.. History has shown us for a long time that when people have the power and control of their own money, they begin to prioritize how it's spent.

    I think this more than anything scare the living chit out of the unions boss's..


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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Is it not amazing that so many are so dumb that they think you can spned your way out of debt and ignore reality.

    Liberals have a way of pretending their fantasy world is real as they ax and spend us into the toilet then blame conservatives for their ignorance.\

    Unions have got to go.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nah, I don't think you need a union to be free....Do you?


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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Teachers negotiate with school boards. Unions contribute to favored school board candidates in the form of canvassing and $$. Incestuous.

    From a former Wisconsin school board member:

    Unions and School Board to Blame for RUSD Woes - Caledonia, WI Patch

    I don't think the problem could be any more clear.
    yes, what has become amazingly clear to me is your opposition to democratic elections
    you fear what elected officals will do once in office
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And the perks? All governors get mansions paid for by the taxpayers. Here in Texas, Governor Perry has his own private wine cellar in his Gubernatorial mansion.

    So here's the deal. Knock down the unions, and at the same time, make the governors pay rent, and buy their own damn wine.
    way to stay focused on the big picture
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes, what has become amazingly clear to me is your opposition to democratic elections
    you fear what elected officals will do once in office
    Not at all. I fear what bought-and-PAID-for elected officials will do once in office without proper checks and balances.
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Not at all. I fear what bought-and-PAID-for elected officials will do once in office without proper checks and balances.
    Me too. This is why I wish we would restrict political campaigns to only accepting public funds. The legal bribery known as campaign donations is a huge problem in this country.

    Politicians should be serving the people, not entrenched financial interests (of any political stripe)
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