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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you are imagining things if you believe the unions get to choose who sits across from them at the bargaining table...

    They may not directly choose whom it is in any particular negotiation, but you can not deny that the relationship between Unions like the SEIU and democrat election campaigns is not right, and if the repubs had say one of their special intrests groups liberals would be the first to bludgen us over the head about that. Now all the sudden we should turn our heads to this kind of relationship? I don't think so.

    FDR didn't like collective barganing for government employees, and I don't either.


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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    "The real struggle is about power." Yes, it probably is. And what is wrong with that? If I have to choose who gets the power, well, I'm sure you've heard this before, Power To The People!

    To postulate that negotiations went forward with teachers on the basis of "accept less in compensation in return for better pensions and healthcare benefits" is dishonest on its face. Negotiations went forward on the basis of "We'll scratch your back, if you scratch ours." And everybody scratched -- with taxpayer funds.
    Both sides are getting tax payer funds... why isn't the Governor's benefits on the chopping block too?

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

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    The whole world is watching.
    Walker is offering the Dems a deal they can't refuse. And, in other news, Sarah Palin just flew in and offered them a deal she couldn't understand.
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I think there's a win win here... Walker lays off 1,000 workers - they become the Fed's problem on unemployment... the State cuts their budget and the Unions get to cry victim.
    If they are all fired, who is going to replace all of them? I have a feeling some of them are going to be rehired again... maybe not doing the same exact job they did before, but they'll end up on the same payroll again unless the Gov has another trick up his sleeve and blacklists them..

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Both sides are getting tax payer funds... why isn't the Governor's benefits on the chopping block too?
    What makes you think they're not? Frankly, what a great statement that'd be.
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    mad Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Hey Liberals get over it....you lost the dang election and there are consequenses to that. Governor Walker is doing exactly what he was elected to do by the majority of Wisconsin voters. Anyone who says that Walker doesnt represent the majority is full of crap. In fact, if he doesnt balance the budget he will be primaried & thrown out by the voters who put him there in the next election. Not many (if any) who are running around Madison whining, crying & throwing a hissy fit were original Walker voters. Most of us are at work during the day.

    The goverment controlled Liberal/statist press can paint Walker as a real villian but he is doing exactly as the Wisconsin taxpayer wants. We in the private sector here in the last couple years almost all took paycuts, loss of benefits and many, there jobs altogether. In the same time frame property taxes kept going up. Somewhere the insanity has to end or we'll be losing our homes & the shirts off our backs as well.

    Now that we have had our say at the polls and decided to throw out the big spenders & take away state workers Gold plated benefits (better than Federal) to help the state get out of debt, the sore losers have to split town. Apparently they think the taxpayer should keep footing the bill for there gravy train while the rest of us are sacrificing. Sorry it isnt happening!

    Wisconsin democrats have to come back & vote to preserve the integrity of our system. If they dont then what keeps the Republicans from doing the same thing in the future? It will develop into anarchy & the system will collapse. If they want to change things back someday then they can do it electorally by putting Democrats in the Govenors house, assembly & Senate then change it back democratically, not walking around the capitol yelling obscenities and acting like thugs, although I'm sure some of them were behaved.
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    They may not directly choose whom it is in any particular negotiation, but you can not deny that the relationship between Unions like the SEIU and democrat election campaigns is not right, and if the repubs had say one of their special intrests groups liberals would be the first to bludgen us over the head about that. Now all the sudden we should turn our heads to this kind of relationship? I don't think so.

    FDR didn't like collective barganing for government employees, and I don't either.


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    Teachers negotiate with school boards. Unions contribute to favored school board candidates in the form of canvassing and $$. Incestuous.

    From a former Wisconsin school board member:

    The frustrating part of this is the taxpayer’s negotiator, the school board member, is beholden to the union by, in most cases, campaign donations and endorsements. A review of the last decade of school board candidates that have successfully been elected or re-elected, have been endorsed by the teacher’s union and have received financial contributions nine of ten times.
    Unions and School Board to Blame for RUSD Woes - Caledonia, WI Patch

    I don't think the problem could be any more clear.
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What makes you think they're not? Frankly, what a great statement that'd be.
    To my knowledge they aren't on the chopping block...

    $124,398 is the average salary earned by U.S. governors in 2007
    A list of 2007 gubernatorial salaries compiled by the Council of State Governments shows the largest at $206,500 in California, though the governor doesn’t accept it, and the smallest at $70,000 in Maine
    The highest paid Governor is running the state in the worst financial state... and the lowest paid Governor makes 70,000, and that's pretty good considering that isn't my opinion of lower middle class.

    Govs' salaries range from $1 to $206,500

    They make too much money in my opinion... and they get excellent benefits and tax payer funded healthcare to boot.

    It should be up for debate... but I don't trust any of them to slash their own benefits for the taxpayers.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    To my knowledge they aren't on the chopping block...

    $124,398 is the average salary earned by U.S. governors in 2007


    The highest paid Governor is running the state in the worst financial state... and the lowest paid Governor makes 70,000, and that's pretty good considering that isn't my opinion of lower middle class.

    Govs' salaries range from $1 to $206,500

    They make too much money in my opinion... and they get excellent benefits and tax payer funded healthcare to boot.

    It should be up for debate... but I don't trust any of them to slash their own benefits for the taxpayers.
    And the perks? All governors get mansions paid for by the taxpayers. Here in Texas, Governor Perry has his own private wine cellar in his Gubernatorial mansion.

    So here's the deal. Knock down the unions, and at the same time, make the governors pay rent, and buy their own damn wine.
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And the perks? All governors get mansions paid for by the taxpayers. Here in Texas, Governor Perry has his own private wine cellar in his Gubernatorial mansion.

    So here's the deal. Knock down the unions, and at the same time, make the governors pay rent, and buy their own damn wine.
    They get a mansion here too... and they get taxpayer funded "business travel" not like that sh*t is ever abused.

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