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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

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    yes, if the government authorizes them to do so

    you are quite welcome. any time
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

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    It also says to defend this country from all threats foriegn and domestic.
    Firemen take that oath? I never knew that.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Other approaches could be used e.g., emergency spending recissions (targeted or across-the-board, the latter being the easiest to achieve as the sacrifice is spread widely). Refinancing savings are not the only way deficits can be closed.
    Of course it isn't. However, it was the one way both parties agreed to pursue and is the method to cause the least pain. I guess instead of refinancing, they can reduce medicare or layoff additional public sector employees. I think we're probably looking at option number two at this point.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The government has opened a sleeping giant.....the ramifications of Walker's refusal to negotiate and to dictatorally push this corporatist agenda is going to be widespread.
    The sleeping giant that's been awakened goes by another name: the taxpayer.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    monopoly status?...that's a good one. What you are really saying is that government should have complete control and the workers should have no representation.
    So much for that small government you guys love to claim you love.
    Public sector unions should not have the right to collectively bargain their wages and benefits. Federal employees do not have this right. Neither should state workers.

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    People are not going to sit back and allow government to have complete control without the workers having representation. It completely goes against the fundamentals of this country.
    These "people" you refer to make up 11.9% of the workers in the United States....with public-sector employees making up over 50% of that total. The may have big mouths, but they most positively are soundly in the minority.
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The sleeping giant that's been awakened goes by another name: the taxpayer.



    Public sector unions should not have the right to collectively bargain their wages and benefits. Federal employees do not have this right. Neither should state workers.



    These "people" you refer to make up 11.9% of the workers in the United States....with public-sector employees making up over 50% of that total. The may have big mouths, but they most positively are soundly in the minority.
    Yeah but a lot of americans dont like having laws stating what they can and cant do. IE preventing collective bargining in this case

    Instead of being a coward he should stand up and negotiate a very hard contract or fire the lot
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Yeah but a lot of americans dont like having laws stating what they can and cant do. IE preventing collective bargining in this case

    Instead of being a coward he should stand up and negotiate a very hard contract or fire the lot
    I always like, "Yeah, but" responses.
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Yeah but a lot of americans dont like having laws stating what they can and cant do. IE preventing collective bargining in this case

    the Americans you are speaking of are now looking at what these contracts are, and don't like the fact that these people with similar jobs, and education levels are making on average 20% more than they are, and have golden pensions, and health care.

    I don't think you're correct in this at all.


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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    the Americans you are speaking of are now looking at what these contracts are, and don't like the fact that these people with similar jobs, and education levels are making on average 20% more than they are, and have golden pensions, and health care.

    I don't think you're correct in this at all.


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    Which is why a tougher new contract should be signed or fire the bunch. Making a law that prevents people from collectively bargining is limiting peoples freedoms. It is also the cowards way
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Which is why a tougher new contract should be signed or fire the bunch. Making a law that prevents people from collectively bargining is limiting peoples freedoms. It is also the cowards way

    Nah, I don't think you need a union to be free....Do you?


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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Which is why a tougher new contract should be signed or fire the bunch. Making a law that prevents people from collectively bargining is limiting peoples freedoms. It is also the cowards way
    Walker isn't talking about away collecctive bargaining from privaye sector unions, just PEU's.

    If he lays them off--he won't be able to fire them--he'll have to pay them unemployment, so that's not a better alternative.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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