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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No...what you are really saying is that you want government to have complete control....and that they workers should have no voice. Very anti-american values.
    So you agree that privatization is the answer? It allows unions to exist with collective bargaining power, and it ends the corrupt circle of politician pandering to the union, the union giving them money, and the politician giving the wages and benefits once elected? You agree that this is corrupt, correct?

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    public unions are political. so what's your point?
    you are political. so what's your point?
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the employees are agents of the government
    it is the representative bodies that form the government
    here is a real life - and possibly surprising reality - to demonstrate the difference

    the police
    they do not work for you
    they work for the government
    So, that, "serve and protect", part means, what, exactly?

    Police and firemen are public servants. They are paid with tax money. So, yes, they ultimately work for us.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    So to summarize, to close the current fiscal period's deficit, they need to refinance the debt by 03/16.
    To refinance $165 million of debt that is due 5/1/2011, the funds must be transferred by 3/16 into the bond security and redemption fund (BSRF).

    It takes 2-3 weeks to do this...
    It has taken 2 weeks in one case and typically 2-3 weeks. It could be expedited and, given the far more complex and far larger financial transactions that have been resolved during weekends during the financial crisis, an expedited approach modeled after those transactions suggests that it could be completed much sooner than 2 weeks if the effort is sufficiently urgent. I will concede that if the state chooses to pursue a "business-as-usual" approach, then one might only have a few days in which to adopt the legislation. Again, as noted previously, the legislation is not of a magnitude likely to break the impasse over a lack of quorum.

    While the rest of the debt could be refinanced sometime in the future, it won't be in time to close the current deficit.
    Other approaches could be used e.g., emergency spending recissions (targeted or across-the-board, the latter being the easiest to achieve as the sacrifice is spread widely). Refinancing savings are not the only way deficits can be closed.

    Now, do they need some longer term solutions? Absolutely. Walker is unveiling his budget today, I think. So, they'll be plenty more for you to yell about shortly.
    I will be interested in seeing what it contains, especially structural reforms aimed at addressing the pension and health benefits imbalances.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    with all the money your cronies are throwing into the state, you should see a bigger discrepancy.

    I'm pretty comfortable with Walkers long term viability.
    Sure thing.
    And how many right wingers predicted here over the last two weeks that the public opinion polls would show the people solidly in favor of Walker and his union busting? talk about moving the goal posts.
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, that, "serve and protect", part means, what, exactly?

    Police and firemen are public servants. They are paid with tax money. So, yes, they ultimately work for us.
    key word, "ultimately" work for us
    after first going thru the government to see if it is ok to serve your interests
    they are not the "government"
    they are an agent of the government
    nuanced distinction, i admit ... but it IS there
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    So you agree that privatization is the answer? It allows unions to exist with collective bargaining power, and it ends the corrupt circle of politician pandering to the union, the union giving them money, and the politician giving the wages and benefits once elected? You agree that this is corrupt, correct?

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    You have very little understanding of our political process if you think what you wrote has any basis in reality. Especially in light of the activist decision in "Citizen's United" that essentially allows corporations to have unlimited ability to contribute to political candidates.
    How does "privatization" "End the corrupt cycle of political pandering"? If anything, it increases it.
    I would much rather individual workers have a voice in political pandering than corporations.....
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    key word, "ultimately" work for us
    after first going thru the government to see if it is ok to serve your interests
    they are not the "government"
    they are an agent of the government
    nuanced distinction, i admit ... but it IS there
    IOW, they work for us? Thank you for admitting that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    IOW, they work for us?
    yes, if the government authorizes them to do so
    Thank you for admitting that.
    you are quite welcome. any time
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    Re: Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, that, "serve and protect", part means, what, exactly?

    Police and firemen are public servants. They are paid with tax money. So, yes, they ultimately work for us.
    It also says to defend this country from all threats foriegn and domestic.
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