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Wisconsin governor gives Democrats ultimatum

Well, we must work in different circles, because people I talked to are giddy as hell.

Either way, they've got four years to go with him. Good luck, lol.

Yes, as they should be. Their personal income tax rate is 4.5 to 7.75%. Walker has pledged not to raise them. His budget plan also limits how much schools and local governments can raise property taxes. This is great news for everyone in the state.
 
Yes, as they should be. Their personal income tax rate is 4.5 to 7.75%. Walker has pledged not to raise them. His budget plan also limits how much schools and local governments can raise property taxes. This is great news for everyone in the state.

Btw, I was in Chicago, too, and I can't say the same giddiness was apparent for Mayor Rahm.
 
Ahhh, so your posts quoting Federal Law was off topic and had nothing to do with this thread.

Typical.

You missed the idea ..... what you claimed ... that was never the point in posting those links. It was to show you a basis in the USA for labor and the rights labor has.

Of course, you ignored what you wanted to because it was unpleasant to face the reality of it and focused on the irrelevant instead.

Here was the question asked by jamc back on page 2 #26

Define "right" and tell me where it appears in either the state or nations constitutions.

so to provide information from either the state or national level was appropriate.
 
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from Erod

Just got back from Wisconsin on business. I don't know where these polls are coming from because Scott Walker is HUGELY popular up there right now.

Perhaps it is the crowd you hang out with?
 
are you wanting us to believe that an assembly of citizens opposed to collective bargaining gives basis for the state to unilaterally abbrogate the very contract it has entered into?

You can bloviate about contractural agreements all you want. Case law cites that any contract signed under duress is moot. Have a nice day.
 
You can bloviate about contractural agreements all you want. Case law cites that any contract signed under duress is moot. Have a nice day.

yes, that mean ole union put a gun to the state's head and forced it to sign that labor-management contract

thanks for the laugh
 
You can bloviate about contractural agreements all you want. Case law cites that any contract signed under duress is moot. Have a nice day.

That is ridiculous in the extreme. Duress!!!! You are most surely making this up.

Can you prove this claim with verifiable fact?
 
That is ridiculous in the extreme. Duress!!!! You are most surely making this up.

Can you prove this claim with verifiable fact?

Yeah, it's not duress. See! We agree on something! But not on principle. What a surprise.

Every contract has an expiration date. Union contracts for teachers (and everyone) expire alllll the time. Deals are renegotiated. When a contract is signed, it is not a lifetime commitment as much as you'd like to believe that it is.
 
I read somewhere, but can't find it again, that the 14 have begun negotiations. They're really, from what I can tell, willing to give up most collective bargaining rights in the current bill but want to keep collective bargaining rights for safety issues and want to change the untion reuathorization vote form yearly to every two years.

If this is true, they sure are giving a lot - kind of makes me question some of the polls that are out.
 
I read somewhere, but can't find it again, that the 14 have begun negotiations. They're really, from what I can tell, willing to give up most collective bargaining rights in the current bill but want to keep collective bargaining rights for safety issues and want to change the untion reuathorization vote form yearly to every two years.

If this is true, they sure are giving a lot - kind of makes me question some of the polls that are out.

Link? I can't believe this is true; but I certainly support it if it is...
 
Link? I can't believe this is true; but I certainly support it if it is...

I found this . . . (but doesn't give much information.) Glad to know they're talking anyhow...

By: Gil Halsted, Wisconsin Public Radio, Superior Telegram

The Republican leader of the Wisconsin state Senate says he met secretly Monday with some of the 14 Senate Democrats who left the state to avoid voting on a bill taking away public employee collective bargaining rights.

Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald says some of the Senators are ready to return home to vote on the bill.

Fitzgerald wouldn't say who he met with or how many Senators were there. He says there was no discussion about the substance of the bill that instead they talked about how to arrange for a relatively smooth transition back to business as usual in the capitol. No date was set for the Senators return. But Fitzgerald says he expects talks to continue, and says there appears to be a split in the Senator’s ranks about how long to continue delaying the bill. But Democratic Senator Chris Larson says it's Republicans who are feeling the pressure because of recent polls.
GOP Senate leader meets some of the missing Democrats | Superior Telegram | Superior, Wisconsin
 
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Guess I didn't read it at huffPo. I stumbled across the article again at Yahoo.finance.

Wisconsin lawmakers talk but no deal on unions - Yahoo! Finance

The two sides discussed if unions would be allowed to negotiate workplace safety issues and if union recertification votes could be held every two years instead of annually, as called for in the bill, Hansen told the newspaper.

"I'm disappointed they wouldn't give us that one (the safety issue) out of hand. It makes as much sense as anything. But we continue to discuss it and hopefully soon we'll come to an agreement," Hansen told the Press-Gazette.

"I know we won't get all that we want, but we're trying to get as much as we can," he said.
 
The GOP is not content unless the leadership is persecuting someone like the working man, Mexicans, gays, unions, blacks, Islam. More foddr for their media monopolies, Clear Channel, Fox and the Nazis who host it Savage, Beck, and Levine. Sig Heil Mother Furher.:2wave:
 
How's that hope and change working out? Seems the people are running as fast as they can away from it...

J-mac
When I was Democrat I voted for Obama that was a mistake.

So, how many Republicans voted for "tricky Dick Nixon"

Perhaps you are one of the diehards that think Nixon was innocent of any wrong doing? lol,lol
 
why should they need to?
their union has entered into a contract, one with which the state agreed, to pay them a defined compensation for their efforts


it is this contractural arrangement that the governor is trying to eliminate while insisting he is not

he is a liar and a republican ... but then i repeat myself
I don't seem to remember any Republicans arguing when the banks said they were "contractually obligated" to give away tens of millions of our dollars in bonus money to their employees. They just nodded yes and went on their way. Why are they now so vehement in trying to break the Union's "contractually obligated" agreement?
 
Let me put this another way:

In 1999, we had a small surplus because Republicans took over Congress five years earlier and reigned in spending.

In 2008, we had a huge deficit after Dems took over Congress only two years earlier and spent money like drunken sailors.

Seems to me there is a correlation...

Another right wing propaganda twist.
When things go wrong for Democrats it's their fault.
When things go right it's the Republicans fault.

Newsflash call Fox news back.
America had a huge debt long before the Democrats took the Congress back.

See how long the Republicans held the majority in the Senate, the House, and the presidential administration.
Compare this with the rise in debt for American.
 
The ELITE!?!?!? Who the hell is paying these state unions? Companies? NOOOO! I am! You are!! They are sucking up OUR money! Taxes pay for these scammers.
And BTW..... the State of Wisconsin like many other States are beyond broke and State Unions are part of the reason.

How would YOU balance the budget hmmmmmm?????

Hmmmm, I thought the people working were the ones that got paid repesented by the people just like the corporations got paid bailout money repesented by the CEO'S.
 
The GOP is not content unless the leadership is persecuting someone like the working man, Mexicans, gays, unions, blacks, Islam. More foddr for their media monopolies, Clear Channel, Fox and the Nazis who host it Savage, Beck, and Levine. Sig Heil Mother Furher.:2wave:

What's the new Fox News logo, SPIN, SPIN, SPIN.

So Rush Limbaugh is a drug addict that don't mean ole Rush is for leagakizing Marijuania.
So Foley was a perfert that don't mean he's not against porn. lol,lol,lol
 
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