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Whites have a few less health issues that do discern between the races.

Red herring. You cannot take something that is genetic in nature AND outside the control of another. Discrimination by skin color is under the control of the discriminator. Unless you are stating that black are discriminated against for having more health issues?

and some studies have been done that show that whites are more likely to be influenced (negatively) by racial stereotypes even if they believe they're not racist.

I have to wonder about these studies sometimes. Are they attributing culture bias to race? I know I have seen black kids in their "gansta" get up and I get real leery. I do if I see any white kids similarly dressed, but with blacks being the majority who dress this way, I am more likely to seem to have a bad reaction to blacks than to whites. Likewise, I really don't think twice about a black person who dress well (anything from suit to nice t-shirt/jeans). Hell I've talked to a couple of people for an hour or more before I've noticed that they were black. I've also noticed negative reactions from myself from speech or attitude. Ones that, while not isolated to blacks, are dominated by them. Again, can my reaction to that be viewed as a racial bias when it's not really there?
 
I'm sorry if you felt offended, it was meant to be a joke, me and oscar kid around like that sometimes.



Totally agree



It's easy for one or two studies to be flawed. But when a bunch of studies are taken together and all come to the conclusion that racism still exists, then you know something's definitely up. You have to face reality no matter how hard it might be.

I didn't notice. Did they have serial killer, child molester, sniper, school shooter or mass shooter, in the study?
Most of us would pick white guys for those crimes.
 
I agree that if one particular individual fails in life, it is most likely due to his or her own lack of effort and didn't try enough. However if you ignore the individual and look on a macro scale, the reality is that there are certain groups within society that are marginalized, and this is reality. Now once we accept this, there are two possible conclusions a logical person arrives at: 1) there is something wrong with the group itself and 2) the system is biased against a particular group, or it's a mix of both (i think the truth is that it's a bit of both). The sociological data is clear: there are certain societal institutions that inherently treat darker-skinned people differently compared to lighter-skinned people even when all other factors are equal, and these include the job market and the justice system. Of course you don't want to teach your black child that he is doomed to fail because the deck is stacked against him, for his sake you want to teach him that he should give maximum effort in succeeding at life. But the reality is, in the real world people ARE often treated differently by society based on their skin color. It's not a liberal or conservative position, it is just plain unadulterated truth based on reams upon reams of sociological studies.

And for the record I see absolutely nothing wrong with what this Texas group is doing, more power to them.
 
I didn't notice. Did they have serial killer, child molester, sniper, school shooter or mass shooter, in the study?
Most of us would pick white guys for those crimes.

You'd have to ask Aunt S, I don't know the details of the study. But when it comes to criminal profiling you're correct that whites constitute the vast majority of those.
 
Yes but WHY does that problem exist? Where did this attitude of discouraging one another come from? White people don't discourage each other by saying that they're acting white.

This is an EXAMPLE of the lack of equality of opportunity that exists.

It's a cultural problem and not restricted to Blacks. Many Latinos,most Native Americans, and many Whites have had similar experiences.

Grow up in a small White community and many will discourage you from seeking any ambitions outside from where you grew up, that you are thinking you're something special if you want more out of life than those you grew up with. I spend half my time in Latin American and because North Americans and Europeans generally have more money they tend to think we are smarter, which is certainly not the case.

Thankfully, and at last, the situation is changing in the Native American communities and they are showing Native Pride and moving ahead. It will still take a lot of effort to bring them up from where they were but now they are having some role models, which is a good place to start.

You might think the people you grew up with are your friends but its surprising how many of them will show resentment if you leave the area, or success when you find it. People often try to keep others down to their own level because if you look good they become more aware of their own mediocrity. It's a cultural problem.
 
If we pushed for equal-rights when we emancipated them how different do you think things would be?
If didnt' enact jim-crow laws how different would thins be?

If we dropped all race qualifiers from anything gov't, would that change things? I think so, but there is no way to test the theory. I keep wondering if in the effort to "even the playing field" we are not instead holding back the progress?
 
You haven't been to Taiwan lately, have you???

I went there this past summer. What makes you think I haven't been there? I was agreeing with you about the cultural thing and suggesting that parenting is a significant factor when it comes to academic success and how hard a child tries in school.
 
Are you successful in life, or are you held back, because of Reconstruction and the fact that the best and brightest Southerners were all killed during the Civil War?

I see myself as successful, but realize at one time I was on welfare (between 7 and 9 years ago). Did it hold me back and turn me into some sort of mindless political pawn? nope. Why not? Because of my attitude about life, not because of any sort of government handout, however that handout in no way ever held me back because thats not what handouts do. Its people's piss-poor attitudes that do it and that was the point of cosby's speech.
 
Nope, he is pretty much villified for the terrible quality of his reasoning skills. Heck, did anybody know he was black until this thread?

No, and that isn't a bad thing. He doesn't need the crutch of advertising what he is and making himself into a victim unlike another well known Black member of this forum who does that on nearly a daily basis...
 
It is true today that many leaving Taiwan are of the more affluent variety (then again, Taiwan is a far more affluent society today than it was thirty years ago). However, in the past, many Asians (including Taiwanese and Chinese) immigrated to the US with very little. They would live in small residences, sometimes more than one family in the same place, and WORK THEIR BUTTS OFF so their children could get a good education. It is a cultural thing. Taiwanese take education seriously and know this is a way to succeed. Some black families do as well, and they are to be commended. However, I have worked in schools with large Black populations and it is not an exaggeration to say that on the whole they were far lazier about their schoolwork than whites or Asians (be they East Asians or South Asians).

Ah but look at 3rd and 4th generation immigrants of almost any origin. Chances are their work ethic is a lot lower than those that moved here. Even among whites there is a lot of entitlement mentality.
 
I agree that if one particular individual fails in life, it is most likely due to his or her own lack of effort and didn't try enough. However if you ignore the individual and look on a macro scale, the reality is that there are certain groups within society that are marginalized, and this is reality. Now once we accept this, there are two possible conclusions a logical person arrives at: 1) there is something wrong with the group itself and 2) the system is biased against a particular group, or it's a mix of both (i think the truth is that it's a bit of both). The sociological data is clear: there are certain societal institutions that inherently treat darker-skinned people differently compared to lighter-skinned people even when all other factors are equal, and these include the job market and the justice system. Of course you don't want to teach your black child that he is doomed to fail because the deck is stacked against him, for his sake you want to teach him that he should give maximum effort in succeeding at life. But the reality is, in the real world people ARE often treated differently by society based on their skin color. It's not a liberal or conservative position, it is just plain unadulterated truth based on reams upon reams of sociological studies.

And for the record I see absolutely nothing wrong with what this Texas group is doing, more power to them.

It's not only our color though, it's often easier if we just look good, dress well, and show a measure of confidence. Being a gentleman also opens a lot of doors. All of that can transcend any racial differences.
 
Ah but look at 3rd and 4th generation immigrants of almost any origin. Chances are their work ethic is a lot lower than those that moved here. Even among whites there is a lot of entitlement mentality.

I'd have to agree with this, unfortunately.
 
No, and that isn't a bad thing. He doesn't need the crutch of advertising what he is and making himself into a victim unlike another well known Black member of this forum who does that on nearly a daily basis...

He advertises what he is with every dumb post he makes, day in and day out.
 
It's not only our color though, it's often easier if we just look good, dress well, and show a measure of confidence. Being a gentleman also opens a lot of doors. All of that can transcend any racial differences.

Those are a few of the things you CAN do AS AN INDIVIDUAL to overcome the challenges that already exist, I definitely agree.
 
Anyway, I am out of this thread, because I can't seem to hold back my urge to type what I really think instead of saving it for a more appropriate outlet. I am being too blunt and its better if I relax a bit and get back to my more polite style with a more subtle pointing out of idiocy. Not proud of my my behavior here. But I will leave a parting thought.

Blackdog, we all know him, he is conservative and well thought of by just about everyone here and is black. Why is he well thought of? Because he is a quality poster and doesn't post stupid conspiracy theory stuff day in and day out and then come up with imaginary arguments about why people dislike him. I think certain posters can learn a lesson from him and realize its not about race, but about personality.
 
So far nothing you've said has challenged my statement that equality of opportunity does NOT exist. Whether it's due to outright discrimination in the legal system, economic problems with inner-city schools, or a more subtle victimization culture, it doesn't change the fact that these things ARE harmful and DO discourage success.

You bitch about a victimization culture as though it were some alternative explanation, rather than a perfect EXAMPLE of the lack of equality of opportunity.

Equal oppurtunity doesn't exist. The part your getting wrong, is that it doesn't exist for anyone, not just black folks. Life ain't fair, my man.

What's the least unfair is promising a cretain demographic that you're going to make life fair, when it just ain't gonna happen.
 
No, and that isn't a bad thing. He doesn't need the crutch of advertising what he is and making himself into a victim unlike another well known Black member of this forum who does that on nearly a daily basis...

I can't wait until China bombs the **** out of Chinese Taipei. That way we won't have to hear Chinese Taipei's little scrawny bitches complaining about how evil China is. See? I can act like a ***** and make ad homs without mentioning names too.
 
I can't wait until China bombs the **** out of Chinese Taipei. That way we won't have to hear Chinese Taipei's little scrawny bitches complaining about how evil China is. See? I can act like a ***** and make ad homs without mentioning names too.

lol @ "Chinese Taipei" hahahaha
 
Yes but WHY does that problem exist? Where did this attitude of discouraging one another come from? White people don't discourage each other by saying that they're acting white.

This is an EXAMPLE of the lack of equality of opportunity that exists.

First of all one does not discourage another by saying they are too much of what they are. That would be like a black person trying to discourage another black person by saying they are too black. UNLESS they is what they don't want to be. Look at the white people who are all in the "black" culture. Try telling some of them they are being too white and see if they get upset. I would like to see some kind of study on that, to see if there are white people who feel they are too white or get upset if told so.
 
Ah but look at 3rd and 4th generation immigrants of almost any origin. Chances are their work ethic is a lot lower than those that moved here. Even among whites there is a lot of entitlement mentality.

Because for too long, Libbos have been promising a free ride.
 
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I realize race is a touchy subject, but lets all talk about it without calling names, making veiled insults, uncivil posting and anything else.
 
Equal oppurtunity doesn't exist. The part your getting wrong, is that it doesn't exist for anyone, not just black folks. Life ain't fair, my man.

What's the least unfair is promising a cretain demographic that you're going to make life fair, when it just ain't gonna happen.

No, fair doesn't exist but if you're a White male you have no one else to blame for any lack of success. It's just you.
 
lol @ "Chinese Taipei" hahahaha

I'm just so sick and tired of all the failed Olympic athletes constantly making threads about how evil China is day in and day out. Hopefully that will change when evil red China gets tired of them and just decides to bomb the poor little oppressed Taipei denizens back to the Qing dynasty. Maybe then we'll stop hearing about how oppressive the PRC is.
 
I'm just so sick and tired of all the little failed Olympic athlete constantly making threads about how evil China is day in and day out. Hopefully that will change when evil red China gets tired of them and just decides to bomb the poor little oppressed Taipei denizens back to the Qing dynasty. Maybe then we'll stop hearing about how oppressive the PRC is.

Are you ****in serious? This is a joke right?
 
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