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Aunt Spiker said:
Where did you just wander off with that?

I don't think it's a liberal or conservative view to recognize the actual nature of the situation - see that our nation's attitudes and decisions in the past is responsible for part of it - and then try to improve things *with them* - it's not political at all. (Well - it's not for me).

Isn't that what America is suppose to be about: if we have issues as a nation we work together to fix it?

Supposedly that's what the loved 1950's were all about: everyone was happy to work and do their part to improve things, society - for everyone.

I see problems in our country and I would like them to be fixed - regardless of who's democrat or who's a baptist.

I see it this way: "Our government created or abided by the values and laws that created a situation" - "they resended those laws and some of those values - and need to continue to resend"
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I think that's where the disconnect is: You can't fix it. Only black folks can improve their situation and they have to improve it, themselves. Government handouts never fixed anything.

In the ten years that I've been self employed, the government has caused me more problems than it has fixed.
 
megaprogman said:
Nope, he is pretty much villified for the terrible quality of his reasoning skills. Heck, did anybody know he was black until this thread?
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Quite a few members knew, prior to this thread. However, the real question is: why the **** should it even matter? Care to tackle that question?
 
OscarB63 said:
on that we agree. I just happen to want the blacks to take responsibility for their failure while you want to excuse their failure by blaming it on someone else.
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So far you haven't offered any explanation for why they don't succeed in the same proportions as whites do. You made some passing reference to "culture," then ran away when I asked you to back up one step further and explain where that culture comes from. If there's equality of opportunity, then why does a culture that encourages mediocrity exist among blacks in greater proportion than whites?

Ultimately there are only two explanations: 1) There ISN'T equality of opportunity, or 2) Black people are somehow inherently inferior to white people. I find explanation #1 more plausible. How about you?
 
spud_meister said:
They're still contradictory, which study do you believe is correct?
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No. They're not. Making the claim that they do shows you don't understand basic stats.
 
apdst said:
Quite a few members knew, prior to this thread. However, the real question is: why the **** should it even matter? Care to tackle that question?
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I don't see where it does, except perhaps in the type of circular reason I am seeing laid out by some of the conservative posters in this thread where crazy reasons are imagined to villify liberals that have little to do with reality, but it often happens when many of those same conservative posters circle jerk a thread (really any thread they circle jerk in)
 
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Kandahar said:
Then what is your explanation for why minorities are statistically more likely to drop out of school, less likely to go to college, more likely to live below the poverty line, and more likely to end up in prison? Genetic inferiority?
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We could start with attitude. Bill Cosby does a talk where he points out that some segments of the black community berate those who perform well in school, saying they are "too white". Well that's just a self feeding loop and will likely cause all the above. Throw in there all the social advancing (after all we can't hurt their self esteem by not letting them advance with their peers) and dumb-ing down of the schools (another thread altogether) and you just make the situation worse.

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If all races have equality of opportunity, what is your explanation for why some have cultures that discourage productive behavior and others don't? Genetic inferiority?
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Maybe I should have kept reading. My gods man you just said it your self. They are discouraging their own! They could have more opportunity and would still be achieving less positive results if they are discouraging their own.
 
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Kandahar said:
So far you haven't offered any explanation for why they don't succeed in the same proportions as whites do. You made some passing reference to "culture," then ran away when I asked you to back up one step further and explain where that culture comes from. If there's equality of opportunity, then why does a culture that encourages mediocrity exist among blacks in greater proportion than whites?

Ultimately there are only two explanations: 1) There ISN'T equality of opportunity, or 2) Black people are somehow inherently inferior to white people. I find explanation #1 more plausible. How about you?
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Because people like yourself, have convinced a majority of blacks that they can't succeed without handouts from do-gooders.

Faaaaaaaaaaaar too many blacks are waiting on Al and Jesse to deliver on the big payoff. It's human nature to want something for nothing, or at least get more for doing less. The Leftists have played that **** to the hilt.
 
apdst said:
Because people like yourself, have convinced a majority of blacks that they can't succeed without handouts from do-gooders.

Faaaaaaaaaaaar too many blacks are waiting on Al and Jesse to deliver on the big payoff. It's human nature to want something for nothing, or at least get more for doing less. The Leftists have played that **** to the hilt.
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This type of reasoning is the circle jerking I was referring to. Wholly imaginary reasons made up to support a conservative view, yet when repeated enough, taken as fact even though there is no supporting evidence.
 
Kandahar said:
Then what is your explanation for why minorities are statistically more likely to drop out of school, less likely to go to college, more likely to live below the poverty line, and more likely to end up in prison? Genetic inferiority?
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The welfare system keeps them down for one. Also it's my understanding that in some impoverished black neighborhoods, kids who work hard and are doing well in school are accused of "acting white." Not a compliment, that's for sure. That's enough to make a little kid think maybe education isn't such a good thing. Something needs to change. They have to learn the facts. The fact is they are just as capable as anyone else. Sure some kids are naturally more intelligent, or dumber than average, but that has nothing to do with skin color.
 
Kandahar said:
So far you haven't offered any explanation for why they don't succeed in the same proportions as whites do. You made some passing reference to "culture," then ran away when I asked you to back up one step further and explain where that culture comes from. If there's equality of opportunity, then why does a culture that encourages mediocrity exist among blacks in greater proportion than whites?

Ultimately there are only two explanations: 1) There ISN'T equality of opportunity, or 2) Black people are somehow inherently inferior to white people. I find explanation #1 more plausible. How about you?
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try looking up "false dichotomy" in the logical fallacy section of the dictionary.
 
megaprogman said:
I don't see where it does, except perhaps in the type of circular reason I am seeing laid out by some of the conservative posters in this thread where crazy reasons are imagined to villify liberals that have little to do with reality, but it often happens when many of those same conservative posters circle jerk a thread (really any thread they circle jerk in)
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There it is. You just illustrated it for us. It's your basic victim mentality.

Me? I choose not to be a victicrat.
 
megaprogman said:
This type of reasoning is the circle jerking I was referring to. Wholly imaginary reasons made up to support a conservative view, yet when repeated enough, taken as fact even though there is no supporting evidence.
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Yeah! Damn me, for not buying into the bull**** and getting out there an making my own way in the world, without your help.
 
Barbbtx;1059322203[B said:
]The welfare system keeps them down for one. Also it's my understanding that in some impoverished black neighborhoods, kids who work hard and are doing well in school are accused of "acting white." Not a compliment, that's for sure.[/B] That's enough to make a little kid think maybe education isn't such a good thing. Something needs to change. They have to learn the facts. The fact is they are just as capable as anyone else. Sure some kids are naturally more intelligent, or dumber than average, but that has nothing to do with skin color.
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wanted: connecting reasoning between the two bolded sentances. As you have them right now, they are non-sequitors.
 
apdst said:
Faaaaaaaaaaaar too many blacks are waiting on Al and Jesse to deliver on the big payoff. It's human nature to want something for nothing, or at least get more for doing less. The Leftists have played that **** to the hilt.
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That's not a REASON the culture exists, that's an EXAMPLE of it. If the problem is a victimization culture, then explain where that culture comes from if all races have equality of opportunity. The white equivalents of Al Sharpton (like, say, the morons that made this scholarship) are marginalized, a joke, or just ignored. Why is that? I mean, there must be some explanation for why people like Al Sharpton rose to prominence in the first place.

If there was equality of opportunity, one would expect such figures to arise from all races in roughly equal proportions.
 
apdst said:
Yeah! Damn me, for not buying into the bull**** and getting out there an making my own way in the world, without your help.
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Yay a response that has nothing to do with the flaws I pointed out in your argument.
 
apdst said:
Quite a few members knew, prior to this thread. However, the real question is: why the **** should it even matter? Care to tackle that question?
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bu but......your lean says very conservative. :)
 
maquiscat said:
We could start with attitude. Bill Cosby does a talk where he points out that some segments of the black community berate those who perform well in school, saying they are "too white". Well that's just a self feeding loop and will likely cause all the above. Throw in there all the social advancing (after all we can't hurt their self esteem by not letting them advance with their peers) and dumb-ing down of the schools (another thread altogether) and you just make the situation worse.

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Maybe I should have kept reading. My gods man you just said it your self. They are discouraging their own! They could have more opportunity and would still be achieving less positive results if they are discouraging their own.
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Yes but WHY does that problem exist? Where did this attitude of discouraging one another come from? White people don't discourage each other by saying that they're acting white.

This is an EXAMPLE of the lack of equality of opportunity that exists.
 
Kandahar said:
If there was equality of opportunity, one would expect such figures to arise from all races in roughly equal proportions.
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if the system was rigged to keep a brother down, virtually none of them would be successful.
 
Kandahar said:
That's not a REASON the culture exists, that's an EXAMPLE of it. If the problem is a victimization culture, then explain where that culture comes from if all races have equality of opportunity. The white equivalents of Al Sharpton (like, say, the morons that made this scholarship) are marginalized, a joke, or just ignored. Why is that? I mean, there must be some explanation for why people like Al Sharpton rose to prominence in the first place.

If there was equality of opportunity, one would expect such figures to arise from all races in roughly equal proportions.
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The reason that Sharpton got to where he is, is that people like yourself that are afraid to question his motives and his rhetoric, because he's black. He wouldn't be as successful, if you didn't cut him some slack on account of his race.
 
Kandahar said:
That's not a REASON the culture exists, that's an EXAMPLE of it. If the problem is a victimization culture, then explain where that culture comes from if all races have equality of opportunity. The white equivalents of Al Sharpton (like, say, the morons that made this scholarship) are marginalized, a joke, or just ignored.
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Actually no there not, Pat Buchanan and Frosty Wooldridge are taken seriously by the Paleoconservative supporters. Ive always held the believe that the Ying to Sharpton and Jackson's Yang people like Pat Buchanan and his cohorts.

Why is that? I mean, there must be some explanation for why people like Al Sharpton rose to prominence in the first place.
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Because wedge issues are money makers, Sharpton, Buchanan, Jackson and Wooldridge would very irrelevant if it wasnt for the issue of race.
 
OscarB63 said:
if the system was rigged to keep a brother down, virtually none of them would be successful.
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Except for the fact that the system is not rigged. No welfare is not evidence of the system being rigged. If it was, poor people of other races, including whites, would all act the same way. There is a very real cultural difference that accounts for it.
 
megaprogman said:
Except for the fact that the system is not rigged. No welfare is not evidence of the system being rigged. If it was, poor people of other races, including whites, would all act the same way. There is a very real cultural difference that accounts for it.
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exactly,,,,,
 
apdst said:
The reason that Sharpton got to where he is, is that people like yourself that are afraid to question his motives and his rhetoric, because he's black. He wouldn't be as successful, if you didn't cut him some slack on account of his race.
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So far nothing you've said has challenged my statement that equality of opportunity does NOT exist. Whether it's due to outright discrimination in the legal system, economic problems with inner-city schools, or a more subtle victimization culture, it doesn't change the fact that these things ARE harmful and DO discourage success.

You bitch about a victimization culture as though it were some alternative explanation, rather than a perfect EXAMPLE of the lack of equality of opportunity.
 
megaprogman said:
Yay a response that has nothing to do with the flaws I pointed out in your argument.
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Are you successful in life, or are you held back, because of Reconstruction and the fact that the best and brightest Southerners were all killed during the Civil War?
 
I guess the question that begs to be asked is "Why do they have to be for a specific race"? And, "why just for men" - is there some unspoken competition between whites, blacks, asians and women? Have we come down to "let's see what race wins"? It all seems racists and sexists and it doesn't surprise me that it is in Texas.
 
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