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Texas Group Will Offer Scholarships To White Men Only

Aunt Spiker said:
I always equated the racist attitudes and actions that I've witnessed as being "part of living in a small crappy Arkansas town" - I've lived in Arkansas since I was 13 and especially in the town I live in now - there's a ridiculous amount of such things.

I was actually surprised to see these same findings indicative regardless of where people came from - big city, rural america - east and west. If it was just one or two studies it would be easier to dismiss - but I've read through 15.

Well - there is one study that was positive: the % of people with these views *is* declining - slowly. There's also the Flynn Effect which is very positive to me. . . sure, it's not a race-related effect - actually, that's what makes it so positive - overall - humans are evolving and the average intelligence level in every race is increasing jointly. Which means that race and gender are diminishing in people's success-factors.
Since the Flynn-Effect is measured worldwide, not just within the US, it's a good sign.
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I think racism is something that resides subconsciously within our minds. Even those claiming to be open-minded liberals likely subconsciously harbor some racist views. It's always easier for the human mind to think using patterns generalizations and stereotypes rather than considering the individual, and that's why it's such a big problem. Even those who generally claim to not be racist (yours truly included) possess racist views at the subconscious level. It's hard to deal with a problem when its so entrenched within our own minds. The only way to deal with such a problem is to bring them to the fore, educate people about reality and hope they make a conscious effort to change their attitudes.
 
Hatuey said:
Yes. Your reading comprehension. One is about a federal study. The other is a study done in NYC alone.
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So you are saying that NYC is the reverse of the rest of the country in likely hood of being pulled over vs arrested?
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think racism is something that resides subconsciously within our minds. Even those claiming to be open-minded liberals likely subconsciously harbor some racist views. It's always easier for the human mind to think using patterns generalizations and stereotypes rather than considering the individual, and that's why it's such a big problem. Even those who generally claim to not be racist (yours truly included) possess racist views at the subconscious level. It's hard to deal with a problem when its so entrenched within our own minds. The only way to deal with such a problem is to bring them to the fore, educate people about reality and hope they make a conscious effort to change their attitudes.
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I, overall, perfer people make an effort to be open minded - I know it's not 100% possible, but the effort should be there for it to count.
 
Kandahar said:
The problem is that ON AVERAGE blacks are far less likely to succeed than whites in this country.
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on that we agree. I just happen to want the blacks to take responsibility for their failure while you want to excuse their failure by blaming it on someone else.
 
I have two adopted black sons.

I sure as hell am not going to teach them that they are doomed to failure because the system is out to screw them. I prefer to teach them that they can do/become whatever they want IF they are willing to put forth the effort.
 
Kandahar said:
... people trying to make the incredibly douchey political statement that minorities have it easy in this country, and whites have it rough.
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Or are saying that there are some whites who have it rough and they want them, since I really doubt that a well off white person can get this scholarship.
 
ludahai said:
...but many White ethnic groups don't either.
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In the end is there really anyone who is not part of an ethnic group of SOME sort? At what point does an individual no longer have any ethnicity?
 
OscarB63 said:
on that we agree. I just happen to want the blacks to take responsibility for their failure while you want to excuse their failure by blaming it on someone else.
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If we pushed for equal-rights when we emancipated them how different do you think things would be?
If didnt' enact jim-crow laws how different would thins be?

They'd be better, that's for certain.

Did you know that the IQ-ISO gap between blacks and whites is closing?
The gap use to be 15 points difference.
Now it's 9.5

We already have a black president.

But keep wearing your blinders thinking that black people aren't climbing out of the hole that we dug for them.
 
Kandahar said:
Culture, huh? Let's back up one step further then: If all races have equality of opportunity, what is your explanation for why some have cultures that discourage productive behavior and others don't? Genetic inferiority?

Keep going, you're on a roll today. Don't worry, I won't "blame whitey." Far be it from me to call you a racist piece of ****. :mrgreen:
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I blame it on Liberalism and people like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson et. al. I've done just fine for myself in our system--before the Libbos came in and fixed the economy, that is.

Anyone that claims that a motivated black person can't make it America, with the help of Liberal do-gooders, is either a closet racist, or still too wet behind the ears to know how things work in the real world.

Have I been discriminated against? You bet. Have I picked up business from black customers, because I'm black? You bet your sweet ass.

Anyone that thinks that minorities are the only ones that are discriminated against and they are only discriminated against by whites has led too far sheltered-a-life and needs to get out in the real world.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
If we pushed for equal-rights when we emancipated them how different do you think things would be?
If didnt' enact jim-crow laws how different would thins be?

They'd be better, that's for certain.

Did you know that the IQ-ISO gap between blacks and whites is closing?
The gap use to be 15 points difference.
Now it's 9.5

We already have a black president.

But keep wearing your blinders thinking that black people aren't climbing out of the hole that we dug for them.
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:2bigcry: OMFG how many centuries are we going to use the slavery excuse?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
If we pushed for equal-rights when we emancipated them how different do you think things would be?
If didnt' enact jim-crow laws how different would thins be?

They'd be better, that's for certain.

Did you know that the IQ-ISO gap between blacks and whites is closing?
The gap use to be 15 points difference.
Now it's 9.5

We already have a black president.

But keep wearing your blinders thinking that black people aren't climbing out of the hole that we dug for them.
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How about the do-gooders stop trying to coddle blacks and let them fail, or succeed, baised on their own efforts? How much better off would everyone be, then?
 
apdst said:
I blame it on Liberalism and people like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson et. al. I've done just fine for myself in our system--before the Libbos came in and fixed the economy, that is.

Anyone that claims that a motivated black person can't make it America, with the help of Liberal do-gooders, is either a closet racist, or still too wet behind the ears to know how things work in the real world.

Have I been discriminated against? You bet. Have I picked up business from black customers, because I'm black? You bet your sweet ass.

Anyone that thinks that minorities are the only ones that are discriminated against and they are only discriminated against by whites has led too far sheltered-a-life and needs to get out in the real world.
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amen brother. too bad all minority dudes couldn't be more like you.
 
OscarB63 said:
:2bigcry: OMFG how many centuries are we going to use the slavery excuse?
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Forever, I'm afraid.

Fear not! I'm the ggg-grandson of two slaves and I'm not going to let slavery hold me back! :lamo

Personally, I'm kinda glad for slavery in America, because my ancestors's sacrifice allowed me to live in the greatest country in the history of man. There's no way that I would have the same oppurtunities in Africa, that I do here in the United States.
 
OscarB63 said:
:2bigcry: OMFG how many centuries are we going to use the slavery excuse?
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Well if you think it was a long ass time ago - then why havent' we *all* recovered? We still have extreme issues with racism.

You want them to accept responsibility for their own situation.
And I want you to realize that we helped create their situation that they're suppose to be fixing.

Why is it so offensive to you that we work with them to fix things?

You know what the 'American reality' that I grew up in was?: Everyone is equal no matter what religion, race or gender.
The reality: that's a lie.

I actually want it to BE the truth and I see views like yours as just keeping it a lie.
 
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TheBook said:
A good chunk of those in the military are basically those who can't succeed in the real world, and drag down the service for those who don't join up for self-serving reasons.
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Most of the ones who really can't make it in the "real world" are most likely out after their initial 2 year enlistment. On the other side the military can help turn people into those who can make it in the real world. I know I did/do better because of my time in the Navy.
 
OscarB63 said:
amen brother. too bad all minority dudes couldn't be more like you.
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Black folks are waking up, everyday. I talk to more and more of them that feel that since Obama didn't deliver on the big payoff, that they'll just have to get off their asses and do it for themselves.
 
apdst said:
Black folks are waking up, everyday. I talk to more and more of them that feel that since Obama didn't deliver on the big payoff, that they'll just have to get off their asses and do it for themselves.
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One thing that bill cosby was 100% correct on is that people need to provide for themselves primarily
 
StillBallin75 said:
Pointing out a logical fallacy, just because you can name the exceptions to the rule doesn't mean the rule doesn't still exist. There is still a great degree of discrimination in the system but I believe that on the whole things are getting much better.

As for the Asian immigrants, using myself as a personal example, I've been fortunate and rather privileged because my parents benefitted from a system of universal higher education in Taiwan, and came to this country to attend graduate school. In terms of East Asians (Orientials, your Koreans Chinese and Japanese) most the immigrants who arrived in this country were the ones who were at least well off enough to get the hell out of their home countries, and their backgrounds can't be compared to urban blacks or Latinos. In this country, darker skinned southeast Asians, many of whom are refugees, don't do as well as the aforementioned because they face greater challenges and arrived with lesser resources and have to build up wealth over time. So even with the Asian-American community there are drastic differences in socioeconomic backgrounds.
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It is true today that many leaving Taiwan are of the more affluent variety (then again, Taiwan is a far more affluent society today than it was thirty years ago). However, in the past, many Asians (including Taiwanese and Chinese) immigrated to the US with very little. They would live in small residences, sometimes more than one family in the same place, and WORK THEIR BUTTS OFF so their children could get a good education. It is a cultural thing. Taiwanese take education seriously and know this is a way to succeed. Some black families do as well, and they are to be commended. However, I have worked in schools with large Black populations and it is not an exaggeration to say that on the whole they were far lazier about their schoolwork than whites or Asians (be they East Asians or South Asians).
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Well if you think it was a long ass time ago - then why havent' we *all* recovered? We still have extreme issues with racism.

You want them to accept responsibility for their own situation.
And I want you to realize that we helped create their situation that they're suppose to be fixing.

Why is it so offensive to you that we work with them to fix things?
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The people who have an, "extreme issue with racism", are the folks that claim to oppose racism the most, but do the most to keep it alive.

Libbos are like, "oh, look them poor little bur-heads! If it wasn't for me, they wouldn't have a snowman's chance in hell at making it in the real world; they're just so stupid and runned-down because of slavery and Jim Crow...". That whole mindset is offensive.
 
megaprogman said:
One thing that bill cosby was 100% correct on is that people need to provide for themselves primarily
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Absolutely right and he was villified too all hell when he said that, too. The sad part, is that the people doing most of the villifieing were white Libbos and the so called leaders of the black community.
 
ludahai said:
It is true today that many leaving Taiwan are of the more affluent variety (then again, Taiwan is a far more affluent society today than it was thirty years ago). However, in the past, many Asians (including Taiwanese and Chinese) immigrated to the US with very little. They would live in small residences, sometimes more than one family in the same place, and WORK THEIR BUTTS OFF so their children could get a good education. It is a cultural thing. Taiwanese take education seriously and know this is a way to succeed. Some black families do as well, and they are to be commended. However, I have worked in schools with large Black populations and it is not an exaggeration to say that on the whole they were far lazier about their schoolwork than whites or Asians (be they East Asians or South Asians).
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Parenting is a big part of it, really.
 
apdst said:
Forever, I'm afraid.

Fear not! I'm the ggg-grandson of two slaves and I'm not going to let slavery hold me back! :lamo

Personally, I'm kinda glad for slavery in America, because my ancestors's sacrifice allowed me to live in the greatest country in the history of man. There's no way that I would have the same oppurtunities in Africa, that I do here in the United States.
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dude, I have been saying the same thing for decades. nearly every black person living in the US today owes a debt of gratitude for slavery. if their ancestors hadn't suffered they either wouldn't be here or wouldn't exist at all.
 
apdst said:
The people who have an, "extreme issue with racism", are the folks that claim to oppose racism the most, but do the most to keep it alive.

Libbos are like, "oh, look them poor little bur-heads! If it wasn't for me, they wouldn't have a snowman's chance in hell at making it in the real world; they're just so stupid and runned-down because of slavery and Jim Crow...". That whole mindset is offensive.
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Where did you just wander off with that?

I don't think it's a liberal or conservative view to recognize the actual nature of the situation - see that our nation's attitudes and decisions in the past is responsible for part of it - and then try to improve things *with them* - it's not political at all. (Well - it's not for me).

Isn't that what America is suppose to be about: if we have issues as a nation we work together to fix it?

Supposedly that's what the loved 1950's were all about: everyone was happy to work and do their part to improve things, society - for everyone.

I see problems in our country and I would like them to be fixed - regardless of who's democrat or who's a baptist.

I see it this way: "Our government created or abided by the values and laws that created a situation" - "they resended those laws and some of those values - and need to continue to resend to dissolve the problem they've created"

Just like the broken SSA and the messed up 'Agencies in government' fiasco - It's a government-started problem. . . the government needs to fix it.
:shrug:
 
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apdst said:
The people who have an, "extreme issue with racism", are the folks that claim to oppose racism the most, but do the most to keep it alive.

Libbos are like, "oh, look them poor little bur-heads! If it wasn't for me, they wouldn't have a snowman's chance in hell at making it in the real world; they're just so stupid and runned-down because of slavery and Jim Crow...". That whole mindset is offensive.
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which is why black guys like you are vilified by the libbos. they can't stand the fact that you don't "need" them to take care of you
 
OscarB63 said:
which is why black guys like you are vilified by the libbos. they can't stand the fact that you don't "need" them to take care of you
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Nope, he is pretty much villified for the terrible quality of his reasoning skills. Heck, did anybody know he was black until this thread?
 
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