Texas Group Will Offer Scholarships To White Men Only

TheBook said:

Well yeah, for the most part the NCOs and COs are quite impressive, but so many people simply use the military as either a government-paid scholarship program or simply choose it over working at dairy queen for their entire lives as they view it as setting them up for life (which it certainly can)

Again, this info comes from casual conversations I've had with those I know who serve. I know that my best friend basically just joined the military because he never liked school and it was the only career that required basically no school aptitude to succeed in.

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Actuall Reenlistment is very compataive. Only the top of each MOS are allowed to reenlist.

TheBook said:

Really? With all the FOBbits going over seas for 6 months then coming back claiming all sorts of disability expecting the government to set them up for life because they had to sit in a tent for 6 months?

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LOL once again. Getting Disability is actually really hard to get. The Docs are very strict on what counts.

Interesting, I've heard a very different story. The bonuses, perks, etc. that come with reenlistment are crazy. Or at the very least they have been in the last few years.

apdst said:

That's erroneous. If you don't cut the mustard in the service, your ass is out. There are no hand-ups, hand-outs, oppurtunities to rise up, or any of that other warm and fuzzy crap. The only oppurtunity you have, is to make the grade, or do the duffle-bag-drag on your way back home.

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I agree with you. And again your responses have literally nothing to do with the point I originally made.

This was actually a big reason for my cousin in the navy going career (he originally wanted to be a teacher and the Navy was a way to pay for that) now he's 9 years in and last I heard he was a CPO.

TheBook said:

Really? With all the FOBbits going over seas for 6 months then coming back claiming all sorts of disability expecting the government to set them up for life because they had to sit in a tent for 6 months?

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IOW, the whole barrel is rotten?

Never said that. But you can't generalize, some of them are just another kind of, to use a common conservative phrase, "Welfare Queens" whereas many others are in it for admirable reasons.

But the system can be and is exploited. It's certainly not infallible.

Hatuey said:

I wonder how many conservatives complain about 'Italian-American scholarships'. It always seems to be bitching about black people having scholarships for black people.

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but yet, even with all these "black only" scholarships, many black people want to whine, cry, bitch and piss themselves about how unfair the system is.

if you are black and want to go to college, there are plenty of grants/scholarships/etc available to minorities to help you

if you are white and want to go to college, there ain't **** for you and you are SOL unless you can afford to pay for it yourself

TheBook said:

Really? With all the FOBbits going over seas for 6 months then coming back claiming all sorts of disability expecting the government to set them up for life because they had to sit in a tent for 6 months?

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spoken like someone who has never been there. I just love it when people talk out of their ass about things they have no freaking clue about. even those, as you call them, fobbits are exposed to plenty of danger even if they never leave the wire. environmental hazzards, disease, random mortar/rocket attacks, snipers, all kinds of **** that ******s sitting all nice and comfy in mommy's basement know nothing about.

OscarB63 said:

but yet, even with all these "black only" scholarships, many black people want to whine, cry, bitch and piss themselves about how unfair the system is.

if you are black and want to go to college, there are plenty of grants/scholarships/etc available to minorities to help you

if you are white and want to go to college, there ain't **** for you and you are SOL unless you can afford to pay for it yourself

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This is... somewhat true. There are certainly more options for minorities (my current girlfriend and I often joke about how, as she is black lower class and female, she basically has college paid for her) but the number of scholarships available for white males (such as myself) isn't tiny either.

A good chunk of those in the military are basically those who can't succeed in the real world, and drag down the service for those who don't join up for self-serving reasons.

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Total BS. We have a totally voluntary military so the military has the luxury to pick those who are smart enough to do what they are assigned to do.

There is no question that some of the men in combat are there for the excitement of putting their lives on the line and others are there to kill a human being. Better that those guys get it out of their system in Afghanistan than here.

Again, this info comes from casual conversations I've had with those I know who serve.

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Can we judge you by the people you hang out with???

I know that my best friend basically just joined the military because he never liked school and it was the only career that required basically no school aptitude to succeed in.

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That’s funny. When I joined the USAF I spent the first four months in intensive technical training before I went to a base near Austin, Texas where I worked in the bomb dump. Then I went to Thailand and worked harder than I had ever worked and haven’t worked as hard since. To work on a nuclear weapon takes almost two years of training, the electronics training is pretty long too.

I fear that your friend will be killed if he doesn’t do his book learning.

Really? With all the FOBbits going over seas for 6 months then coming back claiming all sorts of disability expecting the government to set them up for life because they had to sit in a tent for 6 months?

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Those are the few and the ashamed of themselves.

This was actually a big reason for my cousin in the navy going career (he originally wanted to be a teacher and the Navy was a way to pay for that) now he's 9 years in and last I heard he was a CPO.

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So, when you told us about your best who friend jointed because he is stupid you forgot about your cousin who is smart and wanted to get an education for his service in our military??


There was just a terrorist attack on our military in Germany.

if you are white and want to go to college, there ain't **** for you and you are SOL unless you can afford to pay for it yourself

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I agree that it isn’t easy but my son-in-law gets $18K per year to go to graduate school. He makes all As, his parents disappeared when he was ten and he lived with his older sisters until he started working his way though school. He also works at the school in the chemistry lab but I still have to help them out from time to time. He is so liberal that it’s hard for me to like him but he may learn once he goes to work in the real world.

spoken like someone who has never been there.

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I have to agree. When I was in Thailand, August sixth, 1968 I was driving an RT forklift loading bombs onto a forty foot trailer. I had just loaded two trailers with 750 pound bombs and was about to load another trailer when our relief came a few minutes early. I gave the best forklift in the bomb dump the James and his crew chief decided to go a few rows back and start loading 500 pounders. We took them to the locations with 500 pounders and went back to our squadron area. I was have drunk by 7:15 PM playing cards when one of the guys said that he was too drunk to play so he got up and went out the back door. The he burst back in with his hands over his ears and said that there was going to be an explosion. Then the ground shook just as I got to my feet to go out and see what he was talking about. The fire that the guy had seen was gone but the sky was still full of falling sparks in the direction of the bomb dump. We thought that we must be under attack because the explosion was so close. By the time I got my cloths back on we heard that there had been an accident in the bomb dump. After James loaded all of the trailers in the 500 pound area the crew came back to the 750s and when James picked up the first two bombs two 750s the last two 750s the top row fell off. We later learned that the bombs were manufactured wrong by GM. Because they had a lot of powdered explosive in them the friction of the bombs hitting together caused the explosive to ignite. A second later one of the bombs ruptured from the pressure inside. The pressure wave blew James about 70 feet straight back. The crew thought that he must be dead so they didn’t look back as the jumped on the truck to get out of the bomb dump before the rest of the 400 750s exploded as one bomb. James got up and started running behind the truck and caught them when the crew chief stopped to pick up the guard at the inner gate. For thirty minutes one bomb after another cooked off in the fire, popping like popcorn until the whole revetment detonated high order. Our best forklift was blown into many pieces, our tractor and light machine was torn to shredded, every building in the bomb dump was damaged and there was sensitized explosive all over the roads that were too dangerous to sweep so we had to pick it up by hand. James was a basket case for the first two weeks and then he sobered up and came back to the bomb dump after five weeks. When the investigation team came they had us set up a revetment just as like Baker 6 was when James came in with the forklift. Then a couple of high ranking officers stood there as James was going to show them what he did. They were careful to tell him not to touch the bombs with the forks but to just get close. But, James couldn’t get his foot on the bottom rung of the ladder. He would try but his foot would start to shake and he never did drive the forklift again. So I had to do the demonstration and as I sat there in the position I knew that if James hadn’t come to work a few minutes early I would have been the one blown from the forklift and I might have been killed. James wanted out of the military but he had to stay and I doubt that he will ever get over being blown from the forklift and then being left behind by his crew. The rest of the loading crews were not very nice to the guys that left James on the ground, knowing that three people had been killed in the same situations when they ran out to get save people that were down. Normally high explosives can tolerate fire for no more than five minutes. In many cases the big bang will happen in less than a minute. So dragging James’s 200 pound body onto the truck could have gotten them all killed but James would have tried to save any of them so he was a little pissed. If James is paying attention he could get PTSD today. I carry a piece of one of the first bombs that popped in my truck to remind me how close I came to death. The forklift drivers were expected to go at full speed and I broke all of the records for the most the fastest. It was a beautiful thing to watch as the forklift spun its front tires when I changed gears with the engine at full power.

I for one generally have problems with public money funding scholarships based on race. If some private foundation created a fund from like minded people who want to help African-Americans specifically we really don't have much room to complain. But quota systems are rife in our public institutions. If not always specifically outlined in public scholarship programs they have become part of the institutional culture. The quota system mentality started out with the usual good intentions such as evening out the playing field and then evolved into permanent entitlements. We need to stop making broad excuses for allowing bias and discrimination for everyone who isn't white. It is time to roll this attitude back to reflect the times and consider EVERYONE's needs.

jambalaya said:

I for one generally have problems with public money funding scholarships based on race. If some private foundation created a fund from like minded people who want to help African-Americans specifically we really don't have much room to complain. But quota systems are rife in our public institutions. If not always specifically outlined in public scholarship programs they have become part of the institutional culture. The quota system mentality started out with the usual good intentions such as evening out the playing field and then evolved into permanent entitlements. We need to stop making broad excuses for allowing bias and discrimination for everyone who isn't white. It is time to roll this attitude back to reflect the times and consider EVERYONE's needs.

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Equal under God.

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I have absolutely no problem with this. Or I should say, I don't think it's any different than scholarships aimed at other races or ethnicities. I'd prefer all scholarships be based on need and merit rather than where you ancestors came from.

I caught part of an interview with the one of the guys behind this on MNBC, and he claimed he was doing it solely to help economically disadvantaged whites (and yes there are poor whites). I don't know enough about him or the organization to know if that is really true, but I suspect at a minimum they knew the controversy this would spark.

But why are some people so offended or upset by this? If it's OK for one group to do it, it should be OK for all groups. I know in school I was taught that it was wrong for whites to discriminate against minorities on the basis of their skin color or their ethnicity. Those things were largely cosmetic differences and we're all humans who have the same equal intrinsic value. The things that matter when judging a person are their character, their intellect, their work ethic, their abilities and talents. Skin color doesn't affect any of that.

But we see so many organizations and leaders act as if it does matter, but only when its favorable to them. One on hand they say we are all equal and on the other they ask for special treatment.

Now do minorities still face discrimination? I'm sure they do in some facets of life, and those should be highlighted and dealt with. And that goes for racism by minorities as well. But the overall trend is that the racist mindset is shrinking everyday. My parents' generation fought for civil rights. My generation and the one after us have grown up taking them for granted. It's almost impossible for me to comprehend how someone could think that skin color made someone more or less human. Many of the tensions today are not about race, but about culture.

Are blacks as a group poorer than whites? Yes, I think that is undeniable, but I don't think its because whites today are actively trying to hold down the black community. Blacks are emerging from decades of institutional racism and that means they are starting at the bottom rungs of society. You can say that is unfair, but its where every immigrant group that has ever come to this nation has started. My German, Irish, and Italian ancestors all faced discrimination and hostility, but they climbed up the ladder anyway. Blacks today face far less discrimination both by institutions and the population as a whole. They are certainly capable of mvoing up the ladder without any special preferences.

SE102 said:

Please source evidence that those who lean liberal tend to lump all whites into a single group. Then I'll buy into the 'truth' of your empty statement.

(if any of what were talking about even makes any sense at all)

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They lump all white conservatives together as uncaring and who would let old people eat dogfood.
They lump all white liberals together as all caring and generous. (too bad they are only generous with other people's money)

OscarB63 said:

but yet, even with all these "black only" scholarships, many black people want to whine, cry, bitch and piss themselves about how unfair the system is.

if you are black and want to go to college, there are plenty of grants/scholarships/etc available to minorities to help you

if you are white and want to go to college, there ain't **** for you and you are SOL unless you can afford to pay for it yourself

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I'm white and I received four scholarships (two for undergrad and two for b-school). They were merit-based and open to everyone regardless of race. People who blame minorities because they didn't excel enough to receive a merit scholarship are just bitter and looking to avoid responsibility for their own actions.

Kandahar said:

I'm white and I received four scholarships (two for undergrad and two for b-school). They were merit-based and open to everyone regardless of race. People who blame minorities because they didn't excel enough to receive a merit scholarship are just bitter and looking to avoid responsibility for their own actions.

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bolded is the point. they were open to everyone.

minorities who blame white people because, even though they did not have to excel, they lacked the motivation to try are just bitter and looking to avoid responsibility for their own actions.


the point is, there is no excuse for a minority person to not go to college. in addtition to all the regular scholarships that white can get, they get special minority only opportunities. and they still want to piss and moan about the system not being "fair".


FWIW, I got a scholarship for undergrad. so I am not "blaming minorities" for anything.

OscarB63 said:

bolded is the point. they were open to everyone.

minorities who blame white people because, even though they did not have to excel, they lacked the motivation to try are just bitter and looking to avoid responsibility for their own actions.


the point is, there is no excuse for a minority person to not go to college. in addtition to all the regular scholarships that white can get, they get special minority only opportunities. and they still want to piss and moan about the system not being "fair".


FWIW, I got a scholarship for undergrad. so I am not "blaming minorities" for anything.

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I'll tell you what. I'll be less sympathetic to minority complaints that the system isn't fair, as soon as we have equality of opportunity for all races in education, health care, and criminal justice. Deal?

Kandahar said:

I'll tell you what. I'll be less sympathetic to minority complaints that the system isn't fair, as soon as we have equality of opportunity for all races in education, health care, and criminal justice. Deal?

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we already do.

OscarB63 said:

we already do.

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Then what is your explanation for why minorities are statistically more likely to drop out of school, less likely to go to college, more likely to live below the poverty line, and more likely to end up in prison? Genetic inferiority?

TheBook said:

Are you kidding? With today's low recruitment rates it's very, very hard to get kicked out for something like incompetence. You'll get punished, sure, but not cut off from the teet of the american taxpayer. My best friend has told me enough stories about incompetence in the Army he's seen over the past 3 years to back this up with lots of examples. Plus the stories I've heard from my two cousins in the Marines and Navy (both career), and another friend in the Airforce.

A good chunk of those in the military are basically those who can't succeed in the real world, and drag down the service for those who don't join up for self-serving reasons.

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This is so wrong. First of all, the military itself has slowed if not practically stopped recruitment, especially in certain services and for anyone that doesn't have at least a high school diploma. The Navy is looking for ways to put people out. The military is downsizing. There are not more opportunities available in the mililtary because a) in bad economies many people, even those with college degrees, try to join and b) the government has less money to actually spend on personnel, so they downsize.

Trust me, I know. I am in the Navy reserves and a Navy wife.

Kandahar said:

Then what is your explanation for why minorities are statistically more likely to drop out of school, less likely to go to college, more likely to live below the poverty line, and more likely to end up in prison? Genetic inferiority?

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culture? why does it have to be whitey's fault? talking about looking to blame someone else for your own lack of responsibility.

does whitey force the black kids to drop out of HS?

does whitey force black kids to not apply for the plethora of minority only college scholarships?

thanks to affirmative actions, those minorities with the motiviation to do so can get the same jobs as any white person

does whitey force blacks to commit crimes?


maybe minorities should ask themselves "what am I doing wrong?" instead of "who can I blame for my lack of success?"

Temporal said:

I wish this group existed while I was in college, although I didn't grow up in Texas.

Help should be given out based on individual need, not based on whether one belongs to an ethnic group.

I know a South African white guy who fled his country because of violence against whites. Now he is struggling in Canada to make a life for himself, but he can't get scholarships because he is WHITE. It's a joke. He went to fill out university applications, and they ask: "Are you a visible minority?" He had to say no. That is basically like saying if your skin is WHITE, you cannot get financial help or reduced tuition.

The system needs to be MERIT BASED. If you can't afford school, then you have merit for scholarships. I am tired of the reverse racism.

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I think it's ridiculous that 'whites' who are in majority in all of the US try to claim that they've actually been denied something becaue of race.

All that happens is someone puts their application in - and it's processed *last* when it comes down to the last spots available. . . my advice: don't be the late-comer to the party.

Regardless of how people feel about it - being white comes with advantages. It doesn't matter if you WANT that or FEEL that - it IS how things go when your race is in the majority.

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culture? why does it have to be whitey's fault? talking about looking to blame someone else for your own lack of responsibility.

does whitey force the black kids to drop out of HS?

does whitey force black kids to not apply for the plethora of minority only college scholarships?

thanks to affirmative actions, those minorities with the motiviation to do so can get the same jobs as any white person

does whitey force blacks to commit crimes?


maybe minorities should ask themselves "what am I doing wrong?" instead of "who can I blame for my lack of success?"

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Culture, huh? Let's back up one step further then: If all races have equality of opportunity, what is your explanation for why some have cultures that discourage productive behavior and others don't? Genetic inferiority?

Keep going, you're on a roll today. Don't worry, I won't "blame whitey." Far be it from me to call you a racist piece of ****. :mrgreen:

Aunt Spiker said:

Regardless of how people feel about it - being white comes with advantages. .

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list some and be specific. I am always hearing about this "white privilege" but no one ever seems to give any details. It's always a vague, generalized blanket statement "you've benefitted from being white"

maybe those born rich have benefitted from being white, but tell some white kid born in a trailer park to a welfare mom how much he benefitted from being white.

it much more "rich privilege" than it is about being white.