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Culture, huh? Let's back up one step further then: If all races have equality of opportunity, what is your explanation for why some have cultures that discourage productive behavior and others don't? Genetic inferiority?

Keep going, you're on a roll today. Don't worry, I won't "blame whitey." Far be it from me to call you a racist piece of ****. :mrgreen:


If the system is so biased against minorities, why do the asian immigrants do so well? why do we have a black president? why do we have high ranking black military officers? why do we have black members of congress? why are there black CEOs?

if the system is so "unfair" to minorities, how do you explain all the successful minorities?
 
If the system is so biased against minorities, why do the asian immigrants do so well? why do we have a black president? why do we have high ranking black military officers? why do we have black members of congress? why are there black CEOs?

if the system is so "unfair" to minorities, how do you explain all the successful minorities?

Pointing out a logical fallacy, just because you can name the exceptions to the rule doesn't mean the rule doesn't still exist. There is still a great degree of discrimination in the system but I believe that on the whole things are getting much better.

As for the Asian immigrants, using myself as a personal example, I've been fortunate and rather privileged because my parents benefitted from a system of universal higher education in Taiwan, and came to this country to attend graduate school. In terms of East Asians (Orientials, your Koreans Chinese and Japanese) most the immigrants who arrived in this country were the ones who were at least well off enough to get the hell out of their home countries, and their backgrounds can't be compared to urban blacks or Latinos. In this country, darker skinned southeast Asians, many of whom are refugees, don't do as well as the aforementioned because they face greater challenges and arrived with lesser resources and have to build up wealth over time. So even with the Asian-American community there are drastic differences in socioeconomic backgrounds.
 
There is still a great degree of discrimination in the system but I believe that on the whole things are getting much better.
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you know, I keep hearing this, but no one can ever prove it. some people insist on acting like this is still 1950.
 
list some and be specific. I am always hearing about this "white privilege" but no one ever seems to give any details. It's always a vague, generalized blanket statement "you've benefitted from being white"

maybe those born rich have benefitted from being white, but tell some white kid born in a trailer park to a welfare mom how much he benefitted from being white.

it much more "rich privilege" than it is about being white.

It's majority wise.

Whites are more likely to be born into a middle-class or upper-class family.
White men, on average, are paid more.
Whites have a few less health issues that do discern between the races.
and some studies have been done that show that whites are more likely to be influenced (negatively) by racial stereotypes even if they believe they're not racist.

and so on.

Most of this is because whites are the vast majority in the US.
But other things have to do with the after effects of slavery and segregation - and so forth.

It's a lengthy subject. I, being white female, don't "feel" this is true, either - but study after study - done for various purposes - shows it *is* true.

Concerning blacks specifically - you can't deny that we (whites) made their world *more* complicated and even after slavery continued to pit things against them - in essence, "we denied them food and then hated them because they were skinny"

"Separate but equal" my ass - My kid's went to a segretation-day elementary school - it didn't even have walls for the classrooms, just portable dividers like in an office building. . . and that was the norm not too long ago in our country.

It's as if they were thrown down into a pit and then called lazy for not climbing out quickly enough.
 
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you know, I keep hearing this, but no one can ever prove it. some people insist on acting like this is still 1950.

No one can prove it? There's tons of sociological data to support it. You're already online, why don't you do some of your own research? You're right, it's not 1950, people aren't getting lynched and don't have to go to separate bathrooms or the back of the bus, but let's not act like our society is colorblind because it's not.
 
No one can prove it? There's tons of sociological data to support it. You're already online, why don't you do some of your own research? You're right, it's not 1950, people aren't getting lynched and don't have to go to separate bathrooms or the back of the bus, but let's not act like our society is colorblind because it's not.

and let's not act like there aren't plenty of opportunities for minorities out there if they choose to take advantage of them.
 
I haven't claimed otherwise.

point is, there are way too many successful minorities for the rest of them to use the cry "the system isn't fair" to excuse their lack of success.

a poor black kid in the housing project has the same opportunity as a poor white kid in a trailer park.
 

so now it's the employer's fault because momma named her kid shanaynay? hell, when I was teaching public school I had a kid in homeroom one year named "Shithead" it was pronounced "Sha theed"


ever try getting a job if your name is bambi? or summer? or jimbob or any of a wide variety of other redneck or bimbo names?


little Sambo has the same opportunity as little Billy Bob or little Qui Chang


keep em coming. for every example of discrimination against a minority you can dig up, I can come up with an example of where the same discrimination takes place against whitey.




the system isn't fair...but it isn't fair for everybody.
 
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so now it's the employer's fault because momma named her kid shanaynay?

ever try getting a job if your name is bambi? or summer? or jimbob or any of a wide variety of other redneck or bimbo names?


little Sambo has the same opportunity as little Billy Bob or little Qui Chang

It bothers me too - but statistic after statistic, report after report, research project after research project points out the painful truth about it.
 
so now it's the employer's fault because momma named her kid shanaynay? hell, when I was teaching public school I had a kid in homeroom one year named "Shithead" it was pronounced "Sha theed"


ever try getting a job if your name is bambi? or summer? or jimbob or any of a wide variety of other redneck or bimbo names?


little Sambo has the same opportunity as little Billy Bob or little Qui Chang


keep em coming. for every example of discrimination against a minority you can dig up, I can come up with an example of where the same discrimination takes place against whitey.




the system isn't fair...but it isn't fair for everybody.

Why should someone's name even matter in the hiring process?

I'm not giving "examples." I'm giving you studies that shows patterns and trends with large sample sizes. I could go on and give you more stuff like racial profiling and how law enforcement deals with minorities, but for some reason I think attempting to change your mind with statistics is futile.

The only real institution in society in which whites are disadvantaged is the NBA.
 
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Why should someone's name even matter in the hiring process?

I'm not giving "examples." I'm giving you studies that shows patterns and trends with large sample sizes. I could go on and give you more stuff like racial profiling and how law enforcement deals with minorities, but for some reason I think attempting to change your mind with statistics is futile.The only real institution in society in which whites are disadvantaged is the NBA.

yep, you'll never convince me that minorities are victims of society. the bulk of the blame for their condition lies on their own shoulders.
 
yep, you'll never convince me that minorities are victims of society. the bulk of the blame for their condition lies on their own shoulders.

For individuals, perhaps. But when you see startling patterns and differences that emerge with an entire group, then something's definitely wrong.
 
so now it's the employer's fault because momma named her kid shanaynay?

If there's equality of opportunity as you claim, why should it MATTER what the kid's name is?

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hell, when I was teaching public school I had a kid in homeroom one year named "Shithead" it was pronounced "Sha theed"

No you didn't. You got that story from Freakonomics.
 
Why should someone's name even matter in the hiring process?

I'm not giving "examples." I'm giving you studies that shows patterns and trends with large sample sizes. I could go on and give you more stuff like racial profiling and how law enforcement deals with minorities, but for some reason I think attempting to change your mind with statistics is futile.

The only real institution in society in which whites are disadvantaged is the NBA.

You can understand, though, that it's an offensive suggestion. Of course not ALL white people are like that -sure! Just like not all black people are good at basketball.

it's very hard for peopel to separate 'hardcore facts' from 'the emotional connection' to them.

For a paper I'm writing I've had to research the subject of media-based stereotyping and how it might effect suspect identification (like for people picking out an offender from a police lineup).
One study was done this way:
People were given a variety of news-stories related to crimes like robbery, child abuse, murder, drug cooking and so on - things that had happened in the news. After reading these they were presented with photos of all the perpetrators of the crimes and then told to identify which suspect committed which crime.
Black suspects were more likely to be chosen *incorrectly* for the more violent crimes than the white suspects.

Reading that really bothered me - maybe their research was flawed? None the less - those are the results.
 
If there's equality of opportunity as you claim, why should it MATTER what the kid's name is?

the name matters, not the race. a white person with a stupid name is going to be discriminated against just as much as a black person with a stupid name.



No you didn't. You got that story from Freakonomics.

as usual, you are clueless.
 
If the system is so biased against minorities, why do the asian immigrants do so well?

Because they typically don't attend inner-city schools, typically don't suffer the same level of discrimination at the hands of our criminal justice system, and typically have educated parents who also didn't suffer from these same problems.

OscarB63 said:
why do we have a black president? why do we have high ranking black military officers? why do we have black members of congress? why are there black CEOs?

if the system is so "unfair" to minorities, how do you explain all the successful minorities?

Because within any group of people, there will be some exceptional people who rise above the challenges they face. The problem is that ON AVERAGE blacks are far less likely to succeed than whites in this country.
 
the name matters, not the race. a white person with a stupid name is going to be discriminated against just as much as a black person with a stupid name.

Oh, so you have done some research on this? By all means, let's see your statistics then to support that claim.

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as usual, you are clueless.

You literally just plagiarized an anecdote out of Freakonomics and claimed it happened to you, and *I* am clueless? I'm not a ****ing idiot, so just admit that you made it up and move on.
 
You can understand, though, that it's an offensive suggestion. Of course not ALL white people are like that -sure! Just like not all black people are good at basketball.

I'm sorry if you felt offended, it was meant to be a joke, me and oscar kid around like that sometimes.

it's very hard for peopel to separate 'hardcore facts' from 'the emotional connection' to them.

Totally agree

Reading that really bothered me - maybe their research was flawed? None the less - those are the results.

It's easy for one or two studies to be flawed. But when a bunch of studies are taken together and all come to the conclusion that racism still exists, then you know something's definitely up. You have to face reality no matter how hard it might be.
 
I'm sorry if you felt offended, it was meant to be a joke, me and oscar kid around like that sometimes.

I wasn't offended - just adding to the topic.

Totally agree

It's easy for one or two studies to be flawed. But when a bunch of studies are taken together and all come to the conclusion that racism still exists, then you know something's definitely up. You have to face reality no matter how hard it might be.

Absolutely - I waded through so many studies like that, and the results were all similar. . . it was EXTREMELY upsetting to me.

My life has changed slowly with the new layers of reality I have become aware of. . .American Government and Americans in general have a horrible habit of CREATING problems - and then deciding "well - that's *your* problem, not mine" and stepping away from it all together instead of actually trying to change things.

It's not like everyone was on the same playing field - and then we gave extra privileges to one group of people just because they got together one day and said "hey, you know what . . . I think I was extra sauce with that goose" :shrug:
But many people see the situation and think that's *exactly* how it happened.
 
To me, getting a job means having the opportunity to rise up and overcome challenges, including the circumstances of birth and starting place in society. That's why the military is a good place to work, and advance.

Not to mention it is an awesome support system for when you are going through problems, but the support system only helps if you want to help yourself... people in the military DO have various issues, and I found that my time in the military, I worked with people who would do everything they could to give you help when you needed it... but you had to want to help youself at the same time...
 
Why no give scholarships to people who are most likely to graduate?

California is spending billions of dollars each year to run minorities in the front door only to have the go out the back door in the first year. I think that the reason they do it is to keep the schools going and to pat themselves on the back for helping the minorities understand just how dumb they are.

The inevitable result of affirmative action, quotas, and race norming...
 
Absolutely - I waded through so many studies like that, and the results were all similar. . . it was EXTREMELY upsetting to me.

I think any person with even an ounce of compassion would be upset at seeing the same things, but at least to me, it's not at all surprising.

American Government and Americans in general have a horrible habit of CREATING problems - and then deciding "well - that's *your* problem, not mine" and stepping away from it all together instead of actually trying to change things.

Yeah...unfortunately that's just a part of human nature.

It's not like everyone was on the same playing field - and then we gave extra privileges to one group of people just because they got together one day and said "hey, you know what . . . I think I was extra sauce with that goose"
But many people see the situation and think that's *exactly* how it happened.

Being a history and political science major really opened my eyes to this. The world naturally possesses haves and have-nots. It's important we get to the root cause of such problems rather than just window dressing through things like affirmative action quotas and points on college admissions, those merely treat the symptoms and not the cause.
 
I think any person with even an ounce of compassion would be upset at seeing the same things, but at least to me, it's not at all surprising.



Yeah...unfortunately that's just a part of human nature.



Being a history and political science major really opened my eyes to this. The world naturally possesses haves and have-nots. It's important we get to the root cause of such problems rather than just window dressing through things like affirmative action quotas and points on college admissions, those merely treat the symptoms and not the cause.

I always equated the racist attitudes and actions that I've witnessed as being "part of living in a small crappy Arkansas town" - I've lived in Arkansas since I was 13 and especially in the town I live in now - there's a ridiculous amount of such things.

I was actually surprised to see these same findings indicative regardless of where people came from - big city, rural america - east and west. If it was just one or two studies it would be easier to dismiss - but I've read through 15.

Well - there is one study that was positive: the % of people with these views *is* declining - slowly. There's also the Flynn Effect which is very positive to me. . . sure, it's not a race-related effect - actually, that's what makes it so positive - overall - humans are evolving and the average intelligence level in every race is increasing jointly. Which means that race and gender are diminishing in people's success-factors.
Since the Flynn-Effect is measured worldwide, not just within the US, it's a good sign.
 
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