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    Re: Texas Group Will Offer Scholarships To White Men Only

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Where did you just wander off with that?

    I don't think it's a liberal or conservative view to recognize the actual nature of the situation - see that our nation's attitudes and decisions in the past is responsible for part of it - and then try to improve things *with them* - it's not political at all. (Well - it's not for me).

    Isn't that what America is suppose to be about: if we have issues as a nation we work together to fix it?

    Supposedly that's what the loved 1950's were all about: everyone was happy to work and do their part to improve things, society - for everyone.

    I see problems in our country and I would like them to be fixed - regardless of who's democrat or who's a baptist.

    I see it this way: "Our government created or abided by the values and laws that created a situation" - "they resended those laws and some of those values - and need to continue to resend"
    I think that's where the disconnect is: You can't fix it. Only black folks can improve their situation and they have to improve it, themselves. Government handouts never fixed anything.

    In the ten years that I've been self employed, the government has caused me more problems than it has fixed.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Texas Group Will Offer Scholarships To White Men Only

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Nope, he is pretty much villified for the terrible quality of his reasoning skills. Heck, did anybody know he was black until this thread?
    Quite a few members knew, prior to this thread. However, the real question is: why the **** should it even matter? Care to tackle that question?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Texas Group Will Offer Scholarships To White Men Only

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    on that we agree. I just happen to want the blacks to take responsibility for their failure while you want to excuse their failure by blaming it on someone else.
    So far you haven't offered any explanation for why they don't succeed in the same proportions as whites do. You made some passing reference to "culture," then ran away when I asked you to back up one step further and explain where that culture comes from. If there's equality of opportunity, then why does a culture that encourages mediocrity exist among blacks in greater proportion than whites?

    Ultimately there are only two explanations: 1) There ISN'T equality of opportunity, or 2) Black people are somehow inherently inferior to white people. I find explanation #1 more plausible. How about you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    They're still contradictory, which study do you believe is correct?
    No. They're not. Making the claim that they do shows you don't understand basic stats.
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    Re: Texas Group Will Offer Scholarships To White Men Only

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Quite a few members knew, prior to this thread. However, the real question is: why the **** should it even matter? Care to tackle that question?
    I don't see where it does, except perhaps in the type of circular reason I am seeing laid out by some of the conservative posters in this thread where crazy reasons are imagined to villify liberals that have little to do with reality, but it often happens when many of those same conservative posters circle jerk a thread (really any thread they circle jerk in)
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    Re: Texas Group Will Offer Scholarships To White Men Only

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Then what is your explanation for why minorities are statistically more likely to drop out of school, less likely to go to college, more likely to live below the poverty line, and more likely to end up in prison? Genetic inferiority?
    We could start with attitude. Bill Cosby does a talk where he points out that some segments of the black community berate those who perform well in school, saying they are "too white". Well that's just a self feeding loop and will likely cause all the above. Throw in there all the social advancing (after all we can't hurt their self esteem by not letting them advance with their peers) and dumb-ing down of the schools (another thread altogether) and you just make the situation worse.

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    If all races have equality of opportunity, what is your explanation for why some have cultures that discourage productive behavior and others don't? Genetic inferiority?
    Maybe I should have kept reading. My gods man you just said it your self. They are discouraging their own! They could have more opportunity and would still be achieving less positive results if they are discouraging their own.
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    Re: Texas Group Will Offer Scholarships To White Men Only

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So far you haven't offered any explanation for why they don't succeed in the same proportions as whites do. You made some passing reference to "culture," then ran away when I asked you to back up one step further and explain where that culture comes from. If there's equality of opportunity, then why does a culture that encourages mediocrity exist among blacks in greater proportion than whites?

    Ultimately there are only two explanations: 1) There ISN'T equality of opportunity, or 2) Black people are somehow inherently inferior to white people. I find explanation #1 more plausible. How about you?
    Because people like yourself, have convinced a majority of blacks that they can't succeed without handouts from do-gooders.

    Faaaaaaaaaaaar too many blacks are waiting on Al and Jesse to deliver on the big payoff. It's human nature to want something for nothing, or at least get more for doing less. The Leftists have played that **** to the hilt.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Texas Group Will Offer Scholarships To White Men Only

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because people like yourself, have convinced a majority of blacks that they can't succeed without handouts from do-gooders.

    Faaaaaaaaaaaar too many blacks are waiting on Al and Jesse to deliver on the big payoff. It's human nature to want something for nothing, or at least get more for doing less. The Leftists have played that **** to the hilt.
    This type of reasoning is the circle jerking I was referring to. Wholly imaginary reasons made up to support a conservative view, yet when repeated enough, taken as fact even though there is no supporting evidence.

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    Re: Texas Group Will Offer Scholarships To White Men Only

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Then what is your explanation for why minorities are statistically more likely to drop out of school, less likely to go to college, more likely to live below the poverty line, and more likely to end up in prison? Genetic inferiority?
    The welfare system keeps them down for one. Also it's my understanding that in some impoverished black neighborhoods, kids who work hard and are doing well in school are accused of "acting white." Not a compliment, that's for sure. That's enough to make a little kid think maybe education isn't such a good thing. Something needs to change. They have to learn the facts. The fact is they are just as capable as anyone else. Sure some kids are naturally more intelligent, or dumber than average, but that has nothing to do with skin color.
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    Re: Texas Group Will Offer Scholarships To White Men Only

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So far you haven't offered any explanation for why they don't succeed in the same proportions as whites do. You made some passing reference to "culture," then ran away when I asked you to back up one step further and explain where that culture comes from. If there's equality of opportunity, then why does a culture that encourages mediocrity exist among blacks in greater proportion than whites?

    Ultimately there are only two explanations: 1) There ISN'T equality of opportunity, or 2) Black people are somehow inherently inferior to white people. I find explanation #1 more plausible. How about you?
    try looking up "false dichotomy" in the logical fallacy section of the dictionary.
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