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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    We have? That's a lie.


    See Snopes. They lay out the out of context nature of the quotes.





    I was all ready to go back in 91, bush I said no because the UN said no, the UN created sanctions, which created UNSCAM, and gave hussein lattitude to kill 400k of his own people. I find the excuse of not acting previous to be a deterent to acting later not a very insightful position to hold.
    As I said, we added injury to injury. No thanks you for beating them up after someone else beat them up. It's one thing if you stop the beating. Another to wait until it is over and get beat up again. This is why humanitarian groups who hated Sddam did not support or invasion.


    nor can we directly blame it on the US soldier as you infer. It's dishonest and a lie.
    That's a stupid response and shows your nationesteem issue. No where do I blame the solider. I blame leadership, dishonest, reckless leadership. The problem was never the solider, but our leaders who either lied and were reckless, or lacked the backbone to do their job.


    the boo radley shuffle is in full swing. I give you the number, and the study, and you deflect and go with your speculation instead. I can't help the close minded ideologue.
    No, you give me a number, and an overview of the study that I can't fully investigate, and expect me to have no questions. I said it looks interesting, but without further examination, I can't give a full response. I have doubts. I suspect I'm not alone.

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

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    See Snopes. They lay out the out of context nature of the quotes.

    Oh so you haven't put them in context to me as you claimed. Snopes is unreliable as it explained away for example gores commentary on inventing the internet and other such liberal hot topics.


    Sorry, it's no more credible than the RWN site I linked to. difference is, those were all simply quotes.


    As I said, we added injury to injury. No thanks you for beating them up after someone else beat them up. It's one thing if you stop the beating. Another to wait until it is over and get beat up again. This is why humanitarian groups who hated Sddam did not support or invasion.

    So you want to stop a beating by not stopping the beator? What?



    That's a stupid response and shows your nationesteem issue. No where do I blame the solider. I blame leadership, dishonest, reckless leadership. The problem was never the solider, but our leaders who either lied and were reckless, or lacked the backbone to do their job.
    "nationesteem" is this a new vernacular or something you picked up? it's cute in its dismissiveness.... If it was never the soldier, why then keep up the lie that "We" killed 100k?




    No, you give me a number, and an overview of the study that I can't fully investigate, and expect me to have no questions. I said it looks interesting, but without further examination, I can't give a full response. I have doubts. I suspect I'm not alone.

    Whatever. I gave you the study, and the number, if you want to infer I am lying, you do so at your own embarrassing peril. Typical of the boo radley shuffle, and expected.
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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

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    Oh so you haven't put them in context to me as you claimed. Snopes is unreliable as it explained away for example gores commentary on inventing the internet and other such liberal hot topics.


    Sorry, it's no more credible than the RWN site I linked to. difference is, those were all simply quotes.
    Sorry, but snopes was right on both cases. You simply have it wrong again.



    So you want to stop a beating by not stopping the beator? What?
    No. We didn't stop the beating. Didn't even try to. We waited until it was over, and started a new beating.




    "nationesteem" is this a new vernacular or something you picked up? it's cute in its dismissiveness.... If it was never the soldier, why then keep up the lie that "We" killed 100k?
    We, as in as a nation. Our leaders, representing us, brought war to a country without just cause, and the result was 100,000 plus civilian deaths.






    Whatever. I gave you the study, and the number, if you want to infer I am lying, you do so at your own embarrassing peril. Typical of the boo radley shuffle, and expected.
    I never infered anything of the kind. Perhaps you have low self esteem as well as low nationesteem. I said directly that I doubt they could actully do a study that would really give us a true and undebatable number. I doubt them, and said nothing about you. I don't doubt them because they are an ivalid source, as they appear to be fine. I doubt such a finding is possible.

    But, without being able to examine it further, no fault of yours, that's all I can say.

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Fix your quotes, I am not going to respond to your mess when you can't even quote right. I've already fixed them numerous times.
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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    There is no certainty, but to suggest that there is "no knowledge" of civilian damage when planning/commencing operations is just flat out wrong. Steps are always taken to prevent civilian damage by civilized armies. However, there is no cause to take action when excessive civilian damage is not only possible, but probable.
    Steps are taken to lower the odds of civilian damage, you cannot prevent it when your enemies use them as human shields without informing you first, and they're not going to inform you of that either.
    So you can drop leaflets and call civilian homes and everything, but that cannot assure you that civilians will not die. Terrorists are not simply going to be let off and left untargeted because there will always be a chance of civilian casualties.
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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    What the liberals don't even realize is how the terrorists are playing right into their hands.

    Terrorists know how to garner the support of a bleeding heart liberal, just use civilians as human shields and when the evil US forces fire upon them, they can report tons of civilian casualties. Of course for said libtard that means the war is wrong, the cause is not just, the casualties are unnecessary.

    Meanwhile, back in the safehouse, they are laughing their asses of at the American left who are buying their bull**** hook line and sinker.
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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    No. We are against the war because we do not think it worthy of their sacrifice. War should only be a last resort and this is war isn't necessary.Look at how many are being injured

    "Yesterday’s deaths took the overall fatalities among US/ISAF troops this year to 692—479 of whom were Americans. Between 500 and 600 American troops are also being wounded in Afghanistan every month, many suffering horrifying injuries from roadside bombs."


    Another massacre of civilians in Afghanistan

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Kane,


    I applaud your consistancy. Too bad the war became irrelevant to all the other anti war types the day obama took office. Your side needs more of you.
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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Fix your quotes, I am not going to respond to your mess when you can't even quote right. I've already fixed them numerous times.
    I'm not having any trouble following it. Just looking for excuses are you?

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Kane,


    I applaud your consistancy. Too bad the war became irrelevant to all the other anti war types the day obama took office. Your side needs more of you.
    I was anti-Iraq, and now that's pretty much resolved. I think most rational liberals dislike the Afghan war but realize there's no easy way out.

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