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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You do realise it was a Democrat in the white House during WW2 right...
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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Or, how about you don't commit to an operation when the damage to the civlian population is more excessive than the direct military advantage gained?
    In that case, you've already surrendered to the bad guys.



    There's this thing called the Laws of War that separates us from the enemy quite distinctly.
    There are also laws that prohibit using non-combatants as human shields.
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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You do realise it was a Democrat in the white House during WW2 right...
    Yeah, the same Democrat that ignored the situation, until he couldn't ignore it any longer and 400 thousand Americans died, as a result.
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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, the same Democrat that ignored the situation, until he couldn't ignore it any longer and 400 thousand Americans died, as a result.
    In fact APDST he was reflecting the will of the people who didn't want to get involved in European affairs again since WW1 was still fresh in peoples memories AND the great depression wasn't quite over yet so people weren't really up for war at the time til pearl harbor happened

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Or, how about you don't commit to an operation when the damage to the civlian population is more excessive than the direct military advantage gained? There's this thing called the Laws of War that separates us from the enemy quite distinctly.
    Usually there is no knowledge or certainty as to whether civilians will be harmed or not as a result of the targeting of terrorists and other militants. The blame in such cases is to be placed on those who have placed them in that position, using them as human shields and using their corpses to promote their radical cause. Western forces have no interest to get civilians killed, it's not like they see civilians and think "hey let's kill those innocent bastards". They target militants. You simply cannot assure that civilians will never die when targeting Islamic terrorists.
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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    During combat operations, civilians will die. When the enemy is consistantly using civilians as human shields, even more civilians are going to die. At some point, the civilians have to use some common sense and say, "if these clowns weren't hiding in my village, my village wouldn't get snake-n-naped". If they're unable to realize that reality, then their future holds more civilian deaths during operations against the enemy.
    Well, the fact is it simply doesn't work that way. And we create more enemy than we kill. It has to do with us using common sense. it's why these type of invasions are so damned difficult. We didn't learn this lesson in VN, it seems, and many don't get it still today, but killing civilians too frequently simply defeats your purpose. From a partical POV, it's a bad idea.

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    If you were even close to right Germany and Japan would forever be our enemies, but that apposite is true. They are our Allies after we bombed their cities to rubble.

    This picture is most often used as what happened to the Cities by our nukes but this is Tokyo after a B-29 raid.


    This is Dresden Germany after an allied bombing raid.


    So I request that we stick to the facts and the truth.
    Very different. One, there was an army to surrender. So, tey surrendered. It was largely done quickly, and decicively, and their governments surrendered, ending the war. Not the case in either Afghanistan or Iraq, making them very different situations. When making comparisons, it's often a good idea to compare things more alike than different.

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Very different. One, there was an army to surrender. So, tey surrendered. It was largely done quickly, and decicively, and their governments surrendered, ending the war. Not the case in either Afghanistan or Iraq, making them very different situations. When making comparisons, it's often a good idea to compare things more alike than different.
    Precisely, there's a very big difference between this:



    And This:


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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It has to do with us using common sense. it's why these type of invasions are so damned difficult.
    BBC News - Obama to send 30,000 more US troops to Afghanistan

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Wish you knew how to tell us why you post something. If you paid attention you would know I disagree with Obama on this.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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