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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not on the personal level no. You had leaders and rulers who spoke and sureender or got beaten, under one national falg, in one palce, under one control. It was a very different situation.
    Right!...LOL!

    That's your tactical perspective on the issue?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How old were you on 11 September 2001? Yes, we had to invade Afghanistan. We were attacked, remember?
    the Afghan war was planned before 9-11

    "On 9 September 2001, Bush was presented with a draft of a national security presidential directive outlining a global campaign of military, diplomatic and intelligence action targeting al-Qaeda, buttressed by the threat of war. According to NBC News: `President Bush was expected to sign detailed plans for a worldwide war against al-Qaeda . . . but did not have the chance before the terrorist attacks . . . The directive, as described to NBC News, was essentially the same war plan as the one put into action after 11 September. The administration most likely was able to respond so quickly . . . because it simply had to pull the plans "off the shelf".'

    "Finally, BBC News, 18 September 2001: `Niak Naik, a former Pakistan foreign secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October. It was Naik's view that Washington would not drop its war for Afghanistan even if bin Laden were to be surrendered immediately by the Taliban.'

    The Enemy Withi, by Gore Vidal, 10/27/02

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    the Afghan war was planned before 9-11

    "On 9 September 2001, Bush was presented with a draft of a national security presidential directive outlining a global campaign of military, diplomatic and intelligence action targeting al-Qaeda, buttressed by the threat of war. According to NBC News: `President Bush was expected to sign detailed plans for a worldwide war against al-Qaeda . . . but did not have the chance before the terrorist attacks . . . The directive, as described to NBC News, was essentially the same war plan as the one put into action after 11 September. The administration most likely was able to respond so quickly . . . because it simply had to pull the plans "off the shelf".'

    "Finally, BBC News, 18 September 2001: `Niak Naik, a former Pakistan foreign secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October. It was Naik's view that Washington would not drop its war for Afghanistan even if bin Laden were to be surrendered immediately by the Taliban.'

    The Enemy Withi, by Gore Vidal, 10/27/02
    FYI, the military has pre-planned war plans for every situation in the world at all times. There are plans for Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, etc, etc, etc.

    It's been that way your whole lifetime.

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Thanks for that insider bit of crappola, Mr. military.

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    Thanks for that insider bit of crappola, Mr. military.
    This is pretty fifth-grade information, fella. Time to bone up a bit.

    You honestly didn't know we have contingency war strategies for our enemies and problem spots in the world? Really? What do you think they're doing at the Pentagon all day?

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Get on your knees, your already a slave to NeoCon oil barons.

    “War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it.”
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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    We should have been in and out of Afghanistan in a matter of months. We invaded, almost immediately corralled the lions' share of Taliban and Al Qaeda in Tora Bora, where we could have wiped out the entire bunch, including top management... IF the war hadn't been mismanaged by that fool, Rumsfeld, who would not deploy the troops needed for a fast and crushing victory because he was holding back enough troops for the planned invasion of Iraq that was probably on the drawing board by Sept 12, 2001.

    The minute we failed at Tora Bora and allowed swarms of islamist radicals to flood Pakistan, both Afghanistan and Pakistan were irrevocably lost. It's over. We need to get out of there immediately. Leave no military bases, leave no soldiers, no equipment, nothing. Just. Get. Out.

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What are they supposed to do, go have a look around and then launch the airstrike?
    Yes, if you honestly believe that is the only possible way NATO forces have of making sure there are no civilians present.

    I'm curious why half you apologists can only give hyperbole instead of well reasoning alternatives. It's like critical thinking is mentally impossible.

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, tell us how we kill the enemy and prevent civilian casualties.
    There's no absolute way to prevent all civilian casualities. The object is to minimize civilian casualties, which is obvious from General Petraeus modifications to the COIN manual. Air strikes, especially drone strikes, can be pretty indiscriminate. If nothing was done to protect civilians, reports like these would be regular.

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Anyone who expects us to KNOW the outcome before the mission is unrealistic. Do you think they aren't trying to avoid civilians casualties?
    No has ever suggested to know the outcome of military operations before they occur, so you really have no point there. I already said civilized armies do their best to minimize civilian casualties. However, reports of mass civilian loss like this contradict the sentiment that we are doing our best to avoid civilian casualties. Do you think wanton destruction of civilian (people who have no participation in hostilities) property is something that should be disregarded? You don't win a war by killing the people who aren't participating in it. That's terrorism and that's not how we fight our wars.

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