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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

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    Care to explain the difference from a tactical point of view? Please, be specific and use tactical principles in your explanation. I don't think you can do it, but I reckon I owe you a shot.

    Like always, thanks in advance.
    A major one. The smaller group is harder to tackle with a large and blunt hammer. They won't win many battles if any, but they can keep running and hiding and keeping the war expensive and alive, hurting their enemy slowly and in degrees. The huge army can be tackle rather straightforwardly and they will be beaten or not, and sommeone will surrender, ending the war.

    Not knowing the difference would explain the flaw in a lot of thinking.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

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    A major one. The smaller group is harder to tackle with a large and blunt hammer. They won't win many battles if any, but they can keep running and hiding and keeping the war expensive and alive, hurting their enemy slowly and in degrees. The huge army can be tackle rather straightforwardly and they will be beaten or not, and sommeone will surrender, ending the war.

    Not knowing the difference would explain the flaw in a lot of thinking.
    Basically, you're stating that we don't have the stomach to do what needs to be done. Fine, but we'll be fighting this war for 100+ years, killing millions of people slowly.

    It's like trying to pick fleas off a herd of a thousand camels.

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A major one. The smaller group is harder to tackle with a large and blunt hammer. They won't win many battles if any, but they can keep running and hiding and keeping the war expensive and alive, hurting their enemy slowly and in degrees. The huge army can be tackle rather straightforwardly and they will be beaten or not, and sommeone will surrender, ending the war.

    Not knowing the difference would explain the flaw in a lot of thinking.
    Ok, let me see if I can this in terms that you can understand more easily: from a tactical perspective, how do you destroy the will of each of those enemies to wage war?

    Don't give us some crap about how irregular warfare fighters can't be defeated. Winning a war isn't all about a surrender ceremony.

    Also, while you're at it, please explain to us at what point the tallies are going to have to transition to a conventional force to bring an end to the hostilities.
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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Basically, you're stating that we don't have the stomach to do what needs to be done. Fine, but we'll be fighting this war for 100+ years, killing millions of people slowly.

    It's like trying to pick fleas off a herd of a thousand camels.
    No democracy would do what I think you're suggesting, which in part is why democracies should avoid such conflicts needlessly.

    And we never had to invade either country. We could have done a much more effective job, will much less loss of life any number of ways. We might even start by being honest and try to win the battle of ideas, and make a better argument as part of our strategy.

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No democracy would do what I think you're suggesting, which in part is why democracies should avoid such conflicts needlessly.

    And we never had to invade either country. We could have done a much more effective job, will much less loss of life any number of ways. We might even start by being honest and try to win the battle of ideas, and make a better argument as part of our strategy.
    It's very possible Libya isn't going to be able to get this done without our military help; perhaps an invasion. Just like it wasn't possible in Iraq.

    Now what?

    Battle of ideas? Here's one. Stop stoning your women to death and killing each other over Muhammed's successor. You way overestimate these people.

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, let me see if I can this in terms that you can understand more easily: from a tactical perspective, how do you destroy the will of each of those enemies to wage war?

    Don't give us some crap about how irregular warfare fighters can't be defeated. Winning a war isn't all about a surrender ceremony.

    Also, while you're at it, please explain to us at what point the tallies are going to have to transition to a conventional force to bring an end to the hostilities.
    You have to understand what motivates them. If your interference is what motivates them, more interference, no matter how brutal, only encourages them. Wars, like in WW2, was a top down affiar, the common soldier less linked to the ideaology, thus more liely to walk away when the ruler surrendered or was beaten.

    This si different, and more linked to the individual combattant. You can't do enough in any one place that will disuade those allover the world who hear the call. In fact, you merely increase their numbers. You can pacify Iraq or Afghanistan, but the call rings beyohnd that and you increase the numbers, thus defeating your purpose. And those in that country who see you as the problem. hold hard feeling for your actions, linked to them personally and not to a leader, harden and stay your enemy, merely waiting for the chance to speak as such, violently.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    It's very possible Libya isn't going to be able to get this done without our military help; perhaps an invasion. Just like it wasn't possible in Iraq.

    Now what?

    Battle of ideas? Here's one. Stop stoning your women to death and killing each other over Muhammed's successor. You way overestimate these people.
    How is done is important. If we go in alone, it will go badly for us. The lybians have said, I beleive, that they do not want us to. If the Arab league works with us, it will be better received. There is a differenc e bewtween helping someone who wants it, and thinking we know best and doing it for them.

    Remember, as terrible as that is, and I agree it needs to stop, thinkhow well you take another nation telling you what to do. It does need to stop, but us invading countries really won't do it. We don't rule the world.

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You have to understand what motivates them. If your interference is what motivates them, more interference, no matter how brutal, only encourages them. Wars, like in WW2, was a top down affiar, the common soldier less linked to the ideaology, thus more liely to walk away when the ruler surrendered or was beaten.

    This si different, and more linked to the individual combattant. You can't do enough in any one place that will disuade those allover the world who hear the call. In fact, you merely increase their numbers. You can pacify Iraq or Afghanistan, but the call rings beyohnd that and you increase the numbers, thus defeating your purpose. And those in that country who see you as the problem. hold hard feeling for your actions, linked to them personally and not to a leader, harden and stay your enemy, merely waiting for the chance to speak as such, violently.
    OK, fine.

    Now can we please drill our own? Pretty please.

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    OK, fine.

    Now can we please drill our own? Pretty please.
    How about fine an alternative as we know that will end one day.

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    Re: Afghan delegation confirms killing 65 civilians killed by NATO during operation

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    How about fine an alternative as we know that will end one day.
    OK, but for the next 50 years, we're going to need that oil.

    With a cherry on top?

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