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    Re: U.S. Military Repositions Forces in Preparation for Libya Response

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    By comparison, yes. Just think how many millions of lives wouldn't have been lost, had The United States gotten involved in WW2 in 1938 vice waiting until we were attacked in 1941.

    How many people died during WW1, before we came into save the day?

    How many people died in Southeast Asia, during the 70's, because we did nothing?
    There should always be a cost-benefit analysis. How many people died in Southeast Asia because we wouldn't let the Vietnamese choose democracy (albeit a version not to our liking)? There are numerous cases in US history where are involvement in another country's affairs have led to more deaths, not less. In some cases it's absolutely necessary to intervene. In others, you never know when you might make things worse. I'm pro-intervention in cases where it's absolutely necessary, but I admit that such a criteria is rather subjective. So far, little has happened in Libya, in my opinion, to warrant ground forces. Even if they did join the fight, how exactly would they go about their business and what would their objectives be? Should we help an opposition that might turn on us at later date? Should we just take out Gaddafi? Once you decide to get involved, the situation becomes really complicated and you have to ask yourself a lot of tough questions.

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    Re: U.S. Military Repositions Forces in Preparation for Libya Response

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    There should always be a cost-benefit analysis. How many people died in Southeast Asia because we wouldn't let the Vietnamese choose democracy (albeit a version not to our liking)? There are numerous cases in US history where are involvement in another country's affairs have led to more deaths, not less. In some cases it's absolutely necessary to intervene. In others, you never know when you might make things worse. I'm pro-intervention in cases where it's absolutely necessary, but I admit that such a criteria is rather subjective. So far, little has happened in Libya, in my opinion, to warrant ground forces. Even if they did join the fight, how exactly would they go about their business and what would their objectives be? Should we help an opposition that might turn on us at later date? Should we just take out Gaddafi? Once you decide to get involved, the situation becomes really complicated and you have to ask yourself a lot of tough questions.
    The South Vietnamese did choose democracy.
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    Re: U.S. Military Repositions Forces in Preparation for Libya Response

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The South Vietnamese did choose democracy.
    But that's not what you gave them...

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    Re: U.S. Military Repositions Forces in Preparation for Libya Response

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I support redeploying to the area. I do not support USA unilateral action against Libya. There are a hell of a lot of countries in NATO that should be involved in any establishment of "no fly" zones, etc. I do not want our military to handle military actions against Libya alone. We are not the world's sole policeman, and I'm tired of us acting as if we were.
    I agree... to an extent. The problem is, as much as people bitch about us trying to be the 'worlds police', no one else ever gets off their ass to do anything. Also, if we don't do somehting, the same people that bitch about us being the 'worlds police' are the ones who whine when we don't do somethign soon enough for them.

    It's a lose/lose scenario in most cases for the US.

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    Re: U.S. Military Repositions Forces in Preparation for Libya Response

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The South Vietnamese did choose democracy.
    If you think Diem was a democratic ruler, then I suggest you revisit your Vietnam history. Part of the reason we got involved in Southeast Asia, and wanted to maintain the partition, was that we knew Ho Chi Minh would have won in a real election.

    But that's all water under the bridge. As for your point about the mustard gas, if Gaddafi or a third party makes a move on the mustard gas facility, we'll know about it and we have the option of taking it out with an air strike. Still no real need to get ground forces involved.

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    Re: U.S. Military Repositions Forces in Preparation for Libya Response

    I'm shocked at how many of you openly support interfering with the internal politics of foreign nations...

    Now, how do you support what, in other countries, would be labeled terrorists?

    Now, I do NOT support the ghadafi government either...

    I'm just saying, how do you guys support this type of interference??

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    Re: U.S. Military Repositions Forces in Preparation for Libya Response

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    But that's not what you gave them...
    No it wasn't. Had we given them democracy Ho Chi mihn would have gotten 80% of the vote.

    http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch24t4b.htm

    Eisenhower had feared that Ho Chi Minh would win as much as 80 percent of the vote. This was one of those elections that communists could have won, and people in Washington were not about to surrender to exceptions.
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    Re: U.S. Military Repositions Forces in Preparation for Libya Response

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I'm shocked at how many of you openly support interfering with the internal politics of foreign nations...

    Now, how do you support what, in other countries, would be labeled terrorists?

    Now, I do NOT support the ghadafi government either...

    I'm just saying, how do you guys support this type of interference??
    The only interference I support is enforcing a no fly zone to keep his air force from bombing civilians.
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    Re: U.S. Military Repositions Forces in Preparation for Libya Response

    Drill here, drill now. **** them.
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    Re: U.S. Military Repositions Forces in Preparation for Libya Response

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Drill here, drill now. **** them.
    Why would oil companies expand drilling now. This is the perfect crisis to increase prices and make huge profits.
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