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US Will Be the World's Third Largest Economy: Citi

I have not heard one Governor say they wanted to cut Jobs only put a halt to bloated wages and benefits that are a major contributor to budget problems.

Retirements alone are big contributor and along with too many high taxes and regulations cause businesses to leave States like California and move to Texas and other States that have more reasonable rules laws and Taxes.

Too many Liberals like to make up their own reasons to oppose what is needed claiming it's in the name of the worker when that truth is, it's about being partisan, and not being able to admit the truth, which is Government has because too big and needs to be shrunk to what is needed not what people like Obama want. This goes for State and Federal Governments.

Logic tells us what is needed and that is why Liberals don't get it.

If you're right, then why won't Walker accept the compromise that's been offered to him? The Unions have accepted the contribution rate changes. The only thing they won't accept is elimination of their rights to collective bargaining.

If it were solely about the budget - and NOT union-busting - Walker would accept this.

And I suppose you think allowing the governor the right to sell off public utilities without bids at any price he sees fit to anyone he sees fit is going to be good for the budget, right?
 
Why would America having a larger economy, automatically mean that Indians and Chinese are going to be impoversihed? Is that a round-about-way of saying that if they can't feed their own people that it's America's fault?

Nope, it's basic arithmetic. It's saying that they have a lot more people than we do, and GDP = GDP per capita * population. So if they have 4 times more people than us and don't have bigger economies, it means that their people produce less than 1/4 the wealth of Americans. In other words, they're poor.

I, for one, welcome the breathtaking growth rates that China has seen in the past three decades, and that India is finally starting to enjoy in the last 15 years. The world will be far better off for it. Hopefully they both surpass the American economy as soon as possible, and continue growing well beyond it.
 
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My question still stands.

I disagree that China and India, have to be at the #1, or #2 spot tp keep their populations from being impoverished.

China and India have, by far, the largest populations in the world. It's not even close.

#1 China: 1,345 million
#2 India: 1,195 million
#3 United States: 311 million

Therefore, if a nation with 1/4 of their population is out-producing them in terms of GDP, it means that their population is far poorer than ours. And indeed, the GDP per capita statistics (adjusted for purchasing power parity) indicate that that is the case:

United States: $47,400
China: $7,400
India: $3,400

OK, so imagine a world a few decades in the future, where China and India are NOT as poor as they are now. Suppose that China's GDP per capita was $20,000 and India's GDP per capita was $10,000. Not rich, but not impoverished. By virtue of the fact that they have far larger populations than we do, their economies would become #1 and #2 by default.

To wish that China and India were anything other than the first and second largest economies in the world, is to wish that they have extremely low GDPs per capita...and therefore high levels of poverty.
 
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Very nice speech, everyone can applaude. Now let us know what you think the implications of 1-3% growth are to people who libe in America. You say that this does not mean we will be worse off. Check your math, How does a country running a 10% of GDP deficit from 2% and not adversely impact long term standard of living.

I don't think anyone would disagree that a 10% deficit is unsustainable.

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America's standard of living will decline and this administration understands that. Why do you think they have a inflationary policy in the U.S. Forget about reported statistics about core inflation. Try to understand what a family of 4 making 40K spends their money on. Food, housing, medical, taxes and let me know other than home prices what is rising at a 1% rate. So we have wage stagnation with inflation, a sneaky way to lower standard of living.

But core inflation is a better measure. A lot of those prices are not rising due to an expanding money supply, they're rising due to other factors. Food, for example, is rising due to increases in the price of oil. If taxes are rising for you, it's mostly due to the actions of your state or local government, as federal taxes are as low as they have been in decades. The prices of housing and medical bills have more to do with laws specifically regulating those items, rather than monetary policy, and are also not tied to general inflation.

I'm not saying that the government has done everything they can to control those (for example, I think housing prices would be a lot lower if the government would stop subsidizing homeownership). But the price increases of those specific things aren't due to inflation.
 
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China and India have, by far, the largest populations in the world. It's not even close.

#1 China: 1,345 million
#2 India: 1,195 million
#3 United States: 311 million

Therefore, if a nation with 1/4 of their population is out-producing them in terms of GDP, it means that their population is far poorer than ours. And indeed, the GDP per capita statistics (adjusted for purchasing power parity) indicate that that is the case:

United States: $47,400
China: $7,400
India: $3,400

OK, so imagine a world a few decades in the future, where China and India are NOT as poor as they are now. Suppose that China's GDP per capita was $20,000 and India's GDP per capita was $10,000. Not rich, but not impoverished. By virtue of the fact that they have far larger populations than we do, their economies would become #1 and #2 by default.

To wish that China and India were anything other than the first and second largest economies in the world, is to wish that they have extremely low GDPs per capita...and therefore high levels of poverty.

And believing that you can have them not be impoverished, and the US still at number 1 is wishful thinking.
 
Another partisan conservative chest thumping nationalistic isolationistic thread. The US has always been doomed to be 3 or lower, and that is purely based on population! Any idiot not blinded by nationalistic fever can see that.

So what does that make you?
 
It seems to me that population alone means that the US will at some point will fall to the third largest economy, but the thing is, it is likely to remain there for the foreseeable future. While India will likely overtake China as the world's most populous country in the coming decades (China's population is actually supposed to decline), no other nation is likely to supplant the United States and take the number 3 position in terms of population. The next closest nations are Indonesia, Nigeria, Pakistan, Brazil, Bangladesh (not in order, now or in the future, but these are the next most populous countries that are also not projected to shrink, which is the case with Russia and Japan), none of which will surpass 400 million people over the next decades, as the US is expected to do (though under what assumptions I am not sure). This fact, along with what, to me, is the doubtful notion that other nations will overtake US per capita wealth anytime soon means that the US will still be a dominant economy, pretty much no matter what.

From a non-economic view however, this is likely to have political implications. In honesty, I am not particularly concerned about India as an economic and political giant. I support building ties with the country because, though I admit my limited knowledge on this subject, I do view them as natural allies, and in general as an open and welcoming society, barring the Hindu nationalist elements. In contrast, China as it is at present has a sense of historical cultural superiority, and is a relatively closed society, combined with a good dose of ethnocentrism (I believe this is argued in a book that was published not too long ago, "When China Rules the World"). This seems like it will present a distinct challenge in the coming years.

I think it would be in the United States interest to promote manufacturing at home, and when job are outsourced, it would be better to consider countries such as India, Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, and South Korea in Asia, more stable regions in Sub-Saharan Africa, and Mexico.

Additionally, I think that the US should be encouraging immigration, though moving away from a multicultural paradigm, and more toward the more traditional "melting pot". In particular, for reason that I will not dwell on here, I think that it would be good to increase immigration from Eastern Europe (in particular Russia), Sub-Saharan Africa, and to a lesser extent South and East Asia. In addition, it would be good to continue to be open to Latin American immigration, though diversified away from Mexico (currently ~2/3 Latin American immigrants) and relatively, though slightly, less overall than has been the case in the past.
 
I think another thing we need to stop, though, is trying to be the world's superpower. Europe has a responsibility in this matter, and the rise of India and China will make competing in their sphere a massively costly undertaking. Vying for dominance against these two won't be like competing with communists. Russia will probably bounce back at some point as well.

We can save ourselves a lot of resources if we accept this and begin to gradually pull back sooner rather than later. Maybe even keep from going bankrupt.
 
I think another thing we need to stop, though, is trying to be the world's superpower. Europe has a responsibility in this matter, and the rise of India and China will make competing in their sphere a massively costly undertaking. Vying for dominance against these two won't be like competing with communists. Russia will probably bounce back at some point as well.

We can save ourselves a lot of resources if we accept this and begin to gradually pull back sooner rather than later. Maybe even keep from going bankrupt.

As it is, I doubt that Europe will be able to act as a superpower, though it's still massively important as a consumer market. Depending on the extent of European integration, this may change, though the current trend seems to be away from integration. I don't think that this is in the United States' interest myself. I'm curious as to what you consider to be India's and China's respective spheres. I think there's a good a bit of overlap, and this has been a cause of contention between the two. I don't know that believe that Russia will be making much of a comeback. The demographics of the country bode ill for its continued consequence as a great power, and though energy will be very important, there are potential game changers on the horizon. Offshore energy reserves in Israel, increased production by Brazil and Canada, the energy resources of the United States, and green development initiatives stand to decrease the influence of Russian energy.

I agree that the United States will not be able to continue to act as it has in the past, though it may well continue to constitue a superpower. It would be wise to cultivate alliances in various regions to secure global stability as well as maintain a preemminence within the international system.
 
This prediction is based on current trends but they could change dramatically if we had people at the top with a clue about how to build the economy, and create an atmosphere that is conducive to business as apposed to it like The Democrats and the Amateur in Chief Obama are.

We also need a new ruling that makes it illegal for any defense contracts to be allowed with any Nations other than England, Canada, Israel, Japan.
This would help create jobs here at home.

Even other nations that are or seem to be our allies could for political reasons be a problem in a tight situation.
There also needs to be some protectionism when it comes to things like the NYSE that should never be allowed to be in foreign hands.

Thank you W.

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Managing America's decline.......The Democrat Party.

"Were #3! Were #3!"
Over the last 34 years, going back to to Carter, we had:

- A Republican president 20 of those years
- A Republican senate 17.5 of those years
- A Republican house 12 of those years

Who knows why you assign blame for our decline to one party and not the other?
 
Over the last 34 years, going back to to Carter, we had:

- A Republican president 20 of those years
- A Republican senate 17.5 of those years
- A Republican house 12 of those years

Who knows why you assign blame for our decline to one party and not the other?

I know why.
 
This prediction is based on current trends but they could change dramatically if we had people at the top with a clue about how to build the economy, and create an atmosphere that is conducive to business as apposed to it like The Democrats and the Amateur in Chief Obama are.

We also need a new ruling that makes it illegal for any defense contracts to be allowed with any Nations other than England, Canada, Israel, Japan.
This would help create jobs here at home.

Even other nations that are or seem to be our allies could for political reasons be a problem in a tight situation.
There also needs to be some protectionism when it comes to things like the NYSE that should never be allowed to be in foreign hands.




I'll summarise your post:

Goddam dirty foreigners took arr jeerrrrbs!
 
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