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    Re: US Will Be the World's Third Largest Economy: Citi

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Another partisan conservative chest thumping nationalistic isolationistic thread. The US has always been doomed to be 3 or lower, and that is purely based on population! Any idiot not blinded by nationalistic fever can see that.
    So what does that make you?
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    Re: US Will Be the World's Third Largest Economy: Citi

    It seems to me that population alone means that the US will at some point will fall to the third largest economy, but the thing is, it is likely to remain there for the foreseeable future. While India will likely overtake China as the world's most populous country in the coming decades (China's population is actually supposed to decline), no other nation is likely to supplant the United States and take the number 3 position in terms of population. The next closest nations are Indonesia, Nigeria, Pakistan, Brazil, Bangladesh (not in order, now or in the future, but these are the next most populous countries that are also not projected to shrink, which is the case with Russia and Japan), none of which will surpass 400 million people over the next decades, as the US is expected to do (though under what assumptions I am not sure). This fact, along with what, to me, is the doubtful notion that other nations will overtake US per capita wealth anytime soon means that the US will still be a dominant economy, pretty much no matter what.

    From a non-economic view however, this is likely to have political implications. In honesty, I am not particularly concerned about India as an economic and political giant. I support building ties with the country because, though I admit my limited knowledge on this subject, I do view them as natural allies, and in general as an open and welcoming society, barring the Hindu nationalist elements. In contrast, China as it is at present has a sense of historical cultural superiority, and is a relatively closed society, combined with a good dose of ethnocentrism (I believe this is argued in a book that was published not too long ago, "When China Rules the World"). This seems like it will present a distinct challenge in the coming years.

    I think it would be in the United States interest to promote manufacturing at home, and when job are outsourced, it would be better to consider countries such as India, Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, and South Korea in Asia, more stable regions in Sub-Saharan Africa, and Mexico.

    Additionally, I think that the US should be encouraging immigration, though moving away from a multicultural paradigm, and more toward the more traditional "melting pot". In particular, for reason that I will not dwell on here, I think that it would be good to increase immigration from Eastern Europe (in particular Russia), Sub-Saharan Africa, and to a lesser extent South and East Asia. In addition, it would be good to continue to be open to Latin American immigration, though diversified away from Mexico (currently ~2/3 Latin American immigrants) and relatively, though slightly, less overall than has been the case in the past.

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    Re: US Will Be the World's Third Largest Economy: Citi

    I think another thing we need to stop, though, is trying to be the world's superpower. Europe has a responsibility in this matter, and the rise of India and China will make competing in their sphere a massively costly undertaking. Vying for dominance against these two won't be like competing with communists. Russia will probably bounce back at some point as well.

    We can save ourselves a lot of resources if we accept this and begin to gradually pull back sooner rather than later. Maybe even keep from going bankrupt.
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    Re: US Will Be the World's Third Largest Economy: Citi

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I think another thing we need to stop, though, is trying to be the world's superpower. Europe has a responsibility in this matter, and the rise of India and China will make competing in their sphere a massively costly undertaking. Vying for dominance against these two won't be like competing with communists. Russia will probably bounce back at some point as well.

    We can save ourselves a lot of resources if we accept this and begin to gradually pull back sooner rather than later. Maybe even keep from going bankrupt.
    As it is, I doubt that Europe will be able to act as a superpower, though it's still massively important as a consumer market. Depending on the extent of European integration, this may change, though the current trend seems to be away from integration. I don't think that this is in the United States' interest myself. I'm curious as to what you consider to be India's and China's respective spheres. I think there's a good a bit of overlap, and this has been a cause of contention between the two. I don't know that believe that Russia will be making much of a comeback. The demographics of the country bode ill for its continued consequence as a great power, and though energy will be very important, there are potential game changers on the horizon. Offshore energy reserves in Israel, increased production by Brazil and Canada, the energy resources of the United States, and green development initiatives stand to decrease the influence of Russian energy.

    I agree that the United States will not be able to continue to act as it has in the past, though it may well continue to constitue a superpower. It would be wise to cultivate alliances in various regions to secure global stability as well as maintain a preemminence within the international system.

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    Re: US Will Be the World's Third Largest Economy: Citi

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This prediction is based on current trends but they could change dramatically if we had people at the top with a clue about how to build the economy, and create an atmosphere that is conducive to business as apposed to it like The Democrats and the Amateur in Chief Obama are.

    We also need a new ruling that makes it illegal for any defense contracts to be allowed with any Nations other than England, Canada, Israel, Japan.
    This would help create jobs here at home.

    Even other nations that are or seem to be our allies could for political reasons be a problem in a tight situation.
    There also needs to be some protectionism when it comes to things like the NYSE that should never be allowed to be in foreign hands.
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    Re: US Will Be the World's Third Largest Economy: Citi

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post

    Managing America's decline.......The Democrat Party.

    "Were #3! Were #3!"
    Over the last 34 years, going back to to Carter, we had:

    - A Republican president 20 of those years
    - A Republican senate 17.5 of those years
    - A Republican house 12 of those years

    Who knows why you assign blame for our decline to one party and not the other?

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    Re: US Will Be the World's Third Largest Economy: Citi

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Over the last 34 years, going back to to Carter, we had:

    - A Republican president 20 of those years
    - A Republican senate 17.5 of those years
    - A Republican house 12 of those years

    Who knows why you assign blame for our decline to one party and not the other?
    I know why.
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    Re: US Will Be the World's Third Largest Economy: Citi

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This prediction is based on current trends but they could change dramatically if we had people at the top with a clue about how to build the economy, and create an atmosphere that is conducive to business as apposed to it like The Democrats and the Amateur in Chief Obama are.

    We also need a new ruling that makes it illegal for any defense contracts to be allowed with any Nations other than England, Canada, Israel, Japan.
    This would help create jobs here at home.

    Even other nations that are or seem to be our allies could for political reasons be a problem in a tight situation.
    There also needs to be some protectionism when it comes to things like the NYSE that should never be allowed to be in foreign hands.



    I'll summarise your post:

    Goddam dirty foreigners took arr jeerrrrbs!

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