View Poll Results: If the government is shutdown, will the GOP get their demands?

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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Actually, that chart shows only total government revenue, not simply federal tax revenue, which is what we are discussing.

    Add in an adjustment for inflation and suddenly BAM! Clinton levels were higher that Bush levels. Or, if we want to look at it as a percentage of the GDP, suddenly Clinton soars over Bush.
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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    Actually, that chart shows only total government revenue, not simply federal tax revenue, which is what we are discussing.
    .....Federal tax revenue went up....after one of The Largest Tax Cuts In History. Defying the laws of liberal economics......

    Add in an adjustment for inflation and suddenly BAM! Clinton levels were higher that Bush levels. Or, if we want to look at it as a percentage of the GDP, suddenly Clinton soars over Bush.
    .......not really.....

    And besides this isnt a revenue problem were facing......its a drunken liberal crack whore on a spending binge problem.
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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    What a bunch of BS. If the government shuts down because they can't work out a mutually agreeable budget, then it is everyone's fault. Democrats, republicans, and independents all three. A compromise requires that both sides be willing to give a little.

    I consider this to be one of the biggest problems in our country today. Our political system is so polarized, hardly anyone is willing to work with the other side to get things done.
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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    What a bunch of BS. If the government shuts down because they can't work out a mutually agreeable budget, then it is everyone's fault. Democrats, republicans, and independents all three. A compromise requires that both sides be willing to give a little.

    I consider this to be one of the biggest problems in our country today. Our political system is so polarized, hardly anyone is willing to work with the other side to get things done.
    And the moment they do try to work with the other side for the benefit of the country, they are calling RINO, DINO or whatever.

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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Exactly... no accountability from either side, but I have always hated the "you made me do it" defense. Come the f*** on! The GOP are not victims in this situation. They can actively fight for their budget and goals in more ways than just this one... All they are doing is holding the American people at state gunpoint. Everybody did not elect them, so they should work with the elected officials the people also elected. The government shouldn't even have the power to say, we'll govern and do want we want or we do nothing for the American people..
    The largest majority of Americans in 60+ years voted the Republicans into control, because they were dissatisfied with what the Democrats were doing. The will of the people says to not just sit back and let the Democrats keep on keepin' on. The will of the people says to stop this crap and the Democrats should be taking notice.
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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The largest majority of Americans in 60+ years voted the Republicans into control, because they were dissatisfied with what the Democrats were doing. The will of the people says to not just sit back and let the Democrats keep on keepin' on. The will of the people says to stop this crap and the Democrats should be taking notice.
    This is exactly the kind of attitude that causes these problems. The congress that is in place is the one that we as a country voted there. It is a split congress with the democrats controlling one house and the republicans controlling the other. That means the two sides should work together to come to a mutually agreeable compromise. It does not mean that the democrats should bow down and let the republicans do whatever they want.
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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    This is exactly the kind of attitude that causes these problems. The congress that is in place is the one that we as a country voted there. It is a split congress with the democrats controlling one house and the republicans controlling the other. That means the two sides should work together to come to a mutually agreeable compromise. It does not mean that the democrats should bow down and let the republicans do whatever they want.
    The only reason it's a split congress, is because there weren't anough senate seats up for grabs to elect more Republicans.

    It's quite obvious that the American people didn't vote to keep the status quo.
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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    How can the GOP reasonably place the blame for the shutdown on the democrats, when they're the only ones promoting and threatening a shutdown?

    This is such a BS defense if they do shut it down...


    Republicans Ease Demands in Effort to Avert Government Shutdown - Businessweek

    They can not REASONABLY blame the democrats. Now when did REASON enter into the republican/tea bag party?
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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The only reason it's a split congress, is because there weren't anough senate seats up for grabs to elect more Republicans.
    This is certainly possible, but it's only speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's quite obvious that the American people didn't vote to keep the status quo.
    And they don't have the status quo now. Saying the democrats should roll over and let the republicans do what they want because 'it's the will of the American people' is just an excuse, and a fairly lame one at that. It's not like a huge majority of the American populace supports the republican agenda over the democratic agenda. The country is, and always has been, split roughly 50-50 along party lines. We now have a congress that actually represents that.
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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    This is certainly possible, but it's only speculation.



    And they don't have the status quo now. Saying the democrats should roll over and let the republicans do what they want because 'it's the will of the American people' is just an excuse, and a fairly lame one at that. It's not like a huge majority of the American populace supports the republican agenda over the democratic agenda. The country is, and always has been, split roughly 50-50 along party lines. We now have a congress that actually represents that.
    When Obama made the argument of "well I got elected, you didn't" conservatives were in an uproar about it. Hypocricy much?

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