View Poll Results: If the government is shutdown, will the GOP get their demands?

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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Exactly... no accountability from either side, but I have always hated the "you made me do it" defense. Come the f*** on! The GOP are not victims in this situation. They can actively fight for their budget and goals in more ways than just this one... All they are doing is holding the American people at state gunpoint. Everybody did not elect them, so they should work with the elected officials the people also elected. The government shouldn't even have the power to say, we'll govern and do want we want or we do nothing for the American people..
    But the people who did elect them, elected them to take a hard line. I for one am happy to see this, besides, when Republicans have worked with Dems, Dems just turn around and say, "See, they spent money too." It just doesn't pay to bargain with Dems.
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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Sort of depends on how the press decides to spin it. This isn't a "one sided stand-off". The proposed threat by the GOP to not raise the debt ceiling is balanced by the Democrats refusal to cut specific spending.

    Both sides have skin in the game. And both sides are playing it for all they can. Regardless how badly some may wish to portray it, the Democrats are not the designated angels in this matchup.....

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    I don't disagree with you... but if it's just a stunt, then the GOP isn't really trying to do anything. What about bipartisanship? The GOP look like the ones less willing to work with the other party, because they are making the threats...

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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    How can the GOP reasonably place the blame for the shutdown on the democrats, when they're the only ones promoting and threatening a shutdown?
    because it will be the democrats who are actually - you know - shutting down the government?

    ...Having already passed a seven-month continuing resolution that would cut federal spending by $61 billion, House Republicans are set to unveil this afternoon a second short-term spending bill that cuts $4 billion over a two-week period.

    In a conference call with reporters, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R., Va.) said the short-term bill represented a “good faith effort to make bipartisan spending cuts” and give lawmakers enough time to iron out a longer-term proposal. He also reiterated that a government shutdown was “not an acceptable or responsible option for Republicans.” Congress must act to extend government funding before the current continuing resolution expires on March 4.

    Cantor pointed out that the GOP will have soon proposed two separate bills to keep the government running, whereas Senate Democrats have yet to produce a single one. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) had floated a 30-day measure that would fund the government at current levels, but Republicans insist that any spending resolution include cuts.

    In an effort to entice support from Senate Democrats, the short-term bill will include a number of cuts lifted straight from President Obama’s 2012 budget proposal and will strip out $2.7 billion worth of pork projects left over from the previous spending resolution, in accordance with the government-wide ban on earmarks. “If you take the Democrats at face value, this is an easy thing for them to accept,” said Rep. Peter Roskam (R., Ill.), the deputy whip...




    Republicans are giving Democrats every possible chance to avoid this; all they need do is accept that the binge is over.

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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Here's one: Republicans Urge Democrats to Accept $4 Billion Budget Cut - Businessweek

    The problem is that the Republican bill calls for an end to earmarks. (Obama has said he will veto any such bill.) Budget cut of $4 billion? That's truly pocket change.
    it's for a two week period. though agreeably, it's nowhere near enough.

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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I don't disagree with you... but if it's just a stunt, then the GOP isn't really trying to do anything. What about bipartisanship? The GOP look like the ones less willing to work with the other party, because they are making the threats...
    how is it making threats to send up funding bills and then ask Democrats to pass them so that the government can keep functioning? it's Democrats who are threatning this government with shut-down; assuming that "because they won that battle in the 90's" that they will win it now.

    But i don't think they will. If Republicans hold to cutting spending, I think they win this fight.

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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Here's one: Republicans Urge Democrats to Accept $4 Billion Budget Cut - Businessweek

    The problem is that the Republican bill calls for an end to earmarks. (Obama has said he will veto any such bill.)
    I thought Obama said he would veto any bill that has earmarks. I remember it, because it made me laugh.
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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Out children and grandchildren will not be able to afford this, and pay our social security at the same time.
    Which is why I don't have a problem with expecting older working people in established professions to pay more NOW. They were the ones running up the deficit, so they should have to pay it back... Why should they get Bush tax cuts, medicare, and SS, and suck everything else dry while they are at it? It's BS. They were robbing us before we were born, and leaving us with the bill...

    My generation shouldn't have to worry about this. They should be trying to make it right instead of complaining about it like they weren't the ones who f**ked us and the country. I hate when politicians do TV ads talking about leaving the bill to their kids and grandkids... because it was THEM who ran the deficit up in the first place, and now they want to talk about fairness and promote more tax cuts for themselves and hold out their government funded hands for raises.
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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Yeah, because it worked so well for the last time. /sarcasm

    The GOP, under Newt's guidance, tried this in the mid-90's with Clinton. It backfired badly. GOP approval dropped like a rock and Clinton, whose approval had been pretty low, skyrocketed. To do the same thing over again and expect a different result is the definition of insanity.

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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Yeah, because it worked so well for the last time. /sarcasm

    The GOP, under Newt's guidance, tried this in the mid-90's with Clinton. It backfired badly. GOP approval dropped like a rock and Clinton, whose approval had been pretty low, skyrocketed. To do the same thing over again and expect a different result is the definition of insanity.
    The only thing the GOP suffered was media criticism. It didn't cost them elections. I always thought that was a terrible definition of insanity btw.
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    Re: GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    The only thing the GOP suffered was media criticism. It didn't cost them elections. I always thought that was a terrible definition of insanity btw.
    We'll see if the approval ratings follow a similar track. It seriously has been seen in hindsight as one of the GOP congress's biggest blunders. I'm surprised they're planning on trying it again.

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