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    Re: Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Noting different from what I had written.

    From your wiki source:

    On February 25, 2005, a Pinellas County judge ordered the removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube. Several appeals and federal government intervention followed, which included U.S. President George W. Bush returning to Washington D.C. to sign legislation designed to keep her alive. After all attempts at appeals through the federal court system were unsuccessful, Schiavo's feeding tube was disconnected on March 18, 2005. She died at a Pinellas Park hospice on March 31.

    Did you not find it astonishing that your government tried to go over a court's ruling? Wow.
    I did find it so. Thankfully, the system worked anyway.

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    Re: Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer

    I saw this at lunch the other day on Fox News and found myself conflicted...

    On one side, I understand the parents desire to bring their kid home to die there instead of at a hospital.

    On the other side, I realize that a doctor takes an oath to do no harm. I realize a Doctor is not a slave and thus shouldn't have to perform a medical procedure if they don't wish (For example, I don't think a doctor should be forced to have to perform an abortion if a patient demands one). In this case, its putting a child through additional pain and discomfort for a result that would have no effect on the child and is a purely selfish desire by the parents.

    So I can understand the parents wanting to do it, and I can understand doctors refusing to do it. Its just a nasty situation all around and sad all around.

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    Re: Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    it obviously matters to the parents, or this wouldn't be a story on dp
    It also apparently mattered to the doctors, that didn't feel right in performing surgery that was in their medical opinion unncessary.

    Thoguh I think kori was speaking about "matters" in the larger scope of things in that the child was going to die within the relatively near future regardless if it was at home or in the hospital.

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    Re: Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Let's face it, as a conservative, you just prefer your death panels be privatized knowing that someone makes a profit on your demise...

    Insurance company viciously denies lifesaving drug to cancer patient

    (just one easy link.... hundreds more where that came from...)
    That's odd, my first comment disappeared. Try, try, again. upsideguy, did you read the post on my blog that you linked? Because it doesn't mean what you think it means. Here it is, emphasis added:

    For years, Paula Oertel's insurance company paid for an expensive drug which kept her in remission. But her move to another county triggered a review of her policy, and they suddenly stopped paying for the drug. Now she is estimated to have less than five months to live, all because her insurance company puts profits before people.

    Oh, wait, did I say insurance company? I meant Medicare.

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    Re: Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    you might want to re-read my post mentionint Sciavo. That was the reverse.. a family member, petitioning the court to remove her feeding tube... not the government health authority, as in the case in Canada.
    That's not really a huge difference. If the family member hadn't been there caring for her, the state would have stopped long agi. She had been dead for a long time. Keeping the dead breathing is not all that honorable. While I'm reluctant to call any family members bad or evil, or question their motives, the fact is today we pretty much do when someone is no longer alive, when the brain is dead. That may not have been true once upon a time, but it is today. Perhaps we should work to learn how to say good bye and not work to keep the dead breathing.

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    Re: Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It also apparently mattered to the doctors, that didn't feel right in performing surgery that was in their medical opinion unncessary.

    Thoguh I think kori was speaking about "matters" in the larger scope of things in that the child was going to die within the relatively near future regardless if it was at home or in the hospital.
    I agree. it's hard to get physicians to do thinks that would violate the body but do nothing to save the life already gone.

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    Re: Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    FoxNews.com - Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer

    So with nationalized healthcare, a judge gets to make the decisions about the medical care for your children.

    Hmmm. I think I'll pass. Kinda sounds like one of those "death panels".
    So just so I am clear, does that mean you want your tax dollars to go towards paying for a child to remain on life support because the parents won't take them off even when it is clear that the child won't recover?

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    Re: Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    So just so I am clear, does that mean you want your tax dollars to go towards paying for a child to remain on life support because the parents won't take them off even when it is clear that the child won't recover?
    Tax dollars? No, I'm not among the government healthcare crowd.

    More importantly, I'm not for the state having any say in the medical decisions of parents whatsoever. That's what bothers me about this.

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    Re: Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Tax dollars? No, I'm not among the government healthcare crowd.

    More importantly, I'm not for the state having any say in the medical decisions of parents whatsoever. That's what bothers me about this.
    The doctors made the medical decision. The court backed them.
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    Re: Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Tax dollars? No, I'm not among the government healthcare crowd.

    More importantly, I'm not for the state having any say in the medical decisions of parents whatsoever. That's what bothers me about this.
    Of course. It had noting to do with "socialized healthcare death panels" or the like, eh.
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