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    Re: Egyptian Youth to Clinton: Where Was the Support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Sure you did. It’s the only reason for posting those pictures in the first place and asking why we supported so-and-so. And I agree, posting pictures in lieu of a serious argument is indeed weak.


    This perhaps…..

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    Yes, of course it is.

    Perhaps you should talk with the Egyptians and ask them why they expected support from the US even after our relations with Mubarak. Maybe that will help.



    They are still protesting in Egypt today because they still haven’t achieved what they want.

    Done the right thing? 0bama hasn’t done anything except give empty speeches.

    He is still sitting on his hands wondering what to do. It’s time he stands up and earns his Nobel prize.
    You can sit here and spout whatever crap you want.

    You can talk about missing "n"'s. You can talk about pictures. You can talk about it all. I don't care.

    What you cannot refute is that the US has supported many un-democratic regimes in the past when it was convenient. The pictures simply show who those people are.

    If you'd like to address that, then we'll talk. But you haven't.

    You're diving and dodging.

    To say the US "All of a sudden doesn't support freedom" has been proven wrong.


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    Re: Egyptian Youth to Clinton: Where Was the Support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    What you cannot refute is that the US has supported many un-democratic regimes in the past when it was convenient. The pictures simply show who those people are.

    If you'd like to address that, then we'll talk. But you haven't.
    Yes I did. Right from the very beginning:

    US Presidents have had to deal with people like this since the 18th Century because the world is full of dictators and tyrants. Always has been.

    That the US had had to deal with dictators and tyrants is not news. It's how we deal with them that matters. The US has pressed our allies, like Mubarak, for human rights reforms for decades. We haven't always been successful.

    0bama is sitting on the fence speaking in the wind. He has no idea what to do. He believes America's history of promoting freedom and democracy around the world has created more problems.

    I'm sure the Egyptians aren't the only ones wondering where the leader of the free world is.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: Egyptian Youth to Clinton: Where Was the Support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Yes I did. Right from the very beginning:

    US Presidents have had to deal with people like this since the 18th Century because the world is full of dictators and tyrants. Always has been.

    That the US had had to deal with dictators and tyrants is not news. It's how we deal with them that matters. The US has pressed our allies, like Mubarak, for human rights reforms for decades. We haven't always been successful.

    0bama is sitting on the fence speaking in the wind. He has no idea what to do. He believes America's history of promoting freedom and democracy around the world has created more problems.

    I'm sure the Egyptians aren't the only ones wondering where the leader of the free world is.
    So were you just "dealing" with a dictator when the CIA was ordered to topple a democratically elected regime and install the dictator Pinochet in his place?

    And whats the use in "demanding human rights reforms" and them arming the ****ers to protect their regime?

    Thats a little more then simply "dealing with"

    But whatever helps you sleep at night...

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    Re: Egyptian Youth to Clinton: Where Was the Support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So were you just "dealing" with a dictator when the CIA was ordered to topple a democratically elected regime and install the dictator Pinochet in his place?

    And whats the use in "demanding human rights reforms" and them arming the ****ers to protect their regime?

    Thats a little more then simply "dealing with”

    But whatever helps you sleep at night...
    We considered the alternative, a communist Allende regime, to be much worse and were hoping for a different outcome. We don't always succeed.

    Maybe you can post a picture of Pinochet to confirm the world is full of dictators and tyrants. Most of us already know that. Short of direct military intervention, "dealing with" them and pressing hard for greater rights and freedoms is all we can do.

    There are millions of people living in free nations today because the US has a history of supporting human rights and freedoms around the world. That’s what helps me sleep at night.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: Egyptian Youth to Clinton: Where Was the Support?


    Maybe you can post a picture of Pinochet to confirm the world is full of dictators and tyrants. Most of us already know that. Short of direct military intervention, "dealing with" them and pressing hard for greater rights and freedoms is all we can do.
    LOL I don't know how much more hypocritical of a post you could have made.
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    Re: Egyptian Youth to Clinton: Where Was the Support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    LOL I don't know how much more hypocritical of a post you could have made.
    If you say so. I'd say you misunderstood it.
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    Re: Egyptian Youth to Clinton: Where Was the Support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    There was a time, not long ago, when America stood by the people of the world trying to achieve peace, freedom and basic human rights for themselves and their families.

    We have shed much blood and spent a great deal of treasure to help people all over the world. We haven't always succeeded.

    The protesters in Egypt have a legitimate question. What happened to America's long standing support for people trying to achieve peace, freedom and basic human rights?

    0bama's virtual silence with respect to the protests in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Yemen, Algeria and Jordan speaks for itself. He did the same thing with the Iranian protests.

    0bama is just a community organizer from Chicago.The truth of the matter is he has no idea what to do. His "Shake and Bow" foreign policy has been a predictable failure.
    Oh save the bull****. The United States engaged in isolationist policies for the 18th and 19th century and then supported dictatorships for most of the 20th. We have never stood by the people of other nations. We've stood by American interest. Period.
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    Re: Egyptian Youth to Clinton: Where Was the Support?

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    This is a very good question.
    I would imagine we did little for the very same reason we did nothing over the last thirty years of Mubarak's rule. He was an ally, despite his dictatorial oppressive methodolgy, and he maintained peace with Israel. This question is only interesting because it is being posed to the Obama administration.
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    Re: Egyptian Youth to Clinton: Where Was the Support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Oh save the bull****. The United States engaged in isolationist policies for the 18th and 19th century and then supported dictatorships for most of the 20th. We have never stood by the people of other nations. We've stood by American interest. Period.
    Pretty much this..../thread.
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    Re: Egyptian Youth to Clinton: Where Was the Support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Oh save the bull****. The United States engaged in isolationist policies for the 18th and 19th century and then supported dictatorships for most of the 20th. We have never stood by the people of other nations. We've stood by American interest. Period.
    Millions of free people and their descendents around the world, including myself, would disagree.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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