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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    True. I have not. But are you saying that being capture and waterboarded by an enemy would be even remotely close to be waterboarded in training?

    Thanks for addressing everything else, by the way. I suppose that means you have no argument against it?



    What does this even mean? You got a "like" for this post? There wasn't one fact in it. Rather, it's just you being angry for no apparent reason other than you have no argument.

    And it's amateur, amateur.
    No, it means I have no time for people that are suffering from liberalism. I have not, nor can I ever support the idea that torture is always unacceptable. That to me is a mentally deficient attitude, and fills me with concern for my fellow man..


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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    why is it that no matter what the topic of the thread, there is always some crybaby liberal who wants to derail it into a bush bash extravaganza?
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    No, it means I have no time for people that are suffering from liberalism. I have not, nor can I ever support the idea that torture is always unacceptable. That to me is a mentally deficient attitude, and fills me with concern for my fellow man..


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    I more concerned that anyone can find a way to excuse torture. Guess we're both in the same boat for different reasons. I'm OK where I am.

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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

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    I more concerned that anyone can find a way to excuse torture. Guess we're both in the same boat for different reasons. I'm OK where I am.
    sometimes you must do a little evil to prevent an even greater evil. must be nice to spend your entire life safe and secure and never put your safety on the line for the good of others.
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    No, it means I have no time for people that are suffering from liberalism. I have not, nor can I ever support the idea that torture is always unacceptable. That to me is a mentally deficient attitude, and fills me with concern for my fellow man..


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    So why are you on a debate board? To give hand jobs to other conservatives and pat each other on the back? If you don't like debating, don't debate. It's that easy.

    Also, your hatred of liberalism is a bit scary. Might want to get yourself checked out at a shrink.
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    sometimes you must do a little evil to prevent an even greater evil. must be nice to spend your entire life safe and secure and never put your safety on the line for the good of others.
    I don't buy that. I think it is just an excuse, espeically since it is highly unlikely you'd ever have the right person with the right knowledge. it's more likely that you'd just get msiinformation, or false confessions, which torture is really good for.

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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't buy that. I think it is just an excuse, espeically since it is highly unlikely you'd ever have the right person with the right knowledge. it's more likely that you'd just get msiinformation, or false confessions, which torture is really good for.
    tell that to the guys who have actually been on the front lines in a combat situation
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I more concerned that anyone can find a way to excuse torture. Guess we're both in the same boat for different reasons. I'm OK where I am.
    Since when has Torture ever been legal in the United States? No one can make any kind of intellectually honest argument that proves anyone has ever been tortured, the best any liberal can produce is a SUBJECTIVE opinion that Water Boarding is somehow an act of physical torture when no one can produce any OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE that proves either mental or physical damage has resulted from this ACT of INTERROGATION...hell even our own troops go through the procedure with no ill effect and every time such an interrogation has taken place there has been an MD on site that confirms no physical harm has come to the person being questioned.

    Thus, Torture has never been allowed by our US Military, anytime such was suspected said individuals where charged with a Crime. And why has Torture even being discussed on a thread whose topic is the overreaching Authority this potus has engaged in an unconstitutional and totalitarian manner?
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Since when has Torture ever been legal in the United States? No one can make any kind of intellectually honest argument that proves anyone has ever been tortured, the best any liberal can produce is a SUBJECTIVE opinion that Water Boarding is somehow an act of physical torture when no one can produce any OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE that proves either mental or physical damage has resulted from this ACT of INTERROGATION...hell even our own troops go through the procedure with no ill effect and every time such an interrogation has taken place there has been an MD on site that confirms no physical harm has come to the person being questioned.

    Thus, Torture has never been allowed by our US Military, anytime such was suspected said individuals where charged with a Crime. And why has Torture even being discussed on a thread whose topic is the overreaching Authority this potus has engaged in an unconstitutional and totalitarian manner.
    Don't start that nonsense. Waterboarding has always been considered torture, but the US. We can go down that road again, siting all the same sources, where we've prosecuted people, including our own people for waterbaording. You can then pretend this was a different procedure, noting meaningless differences. I can point that out.

    It's all rather pointless. It was torture. And no torturing of the language will change that.

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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Since when has Torture ever been legal in the United States? No one can make any kind of intellectually honest argument that proves anyone has ever been tortured, the best any liberal can produce is a SUBJECTIVE opinion that Water Boarding is somehow an act of physical torture when no one can produce any OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE that proves either mental or physical damage has resulted from this ACT of INTERROGATION...hell even our own troops go through the procedure with no ill effect and every time such an interrogation has taken place there has been an MD on site that confirms no physical harm has come to the person being questioned.

    Thus, Torture has never been allowed by our US Military, anytime such was suspected said individuals where charged with a Crime. And why has Torture even being discussed on a thread whose topic is the overreaching Authority this potus has engaged in an unconstitutional and totalitarian manner?
    Subjective? It is illegal under international law. We signed a UN agreement saying that we won't torture, and the UN declared waterboarding torture. We, as a nation, have prosecuted people for waterboarding. Which, by the way, I believe in the justice system they call that a precedent.

    If we have prosecuted people for waterboarding, don't you think that means the US believes waterboarding is illegal?
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