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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Hardly the truth...as of right now there are a super majority of the STATES that have amendments already in their constitutions that Defend Marriage. There has only been ONE STATE that has passed legislation that grants Queer Eye for the straight Guy Marriage, a very small state....that was lobbied from all over the nation (gays) with brides and money going to that states representatives (documented), why did the gays pick this state to purchase? Because it is one only a few states that does not grant THE FREE PEOPLE thereof to have a reformation vote on any passed law. No other state in the union save this has seen legislation passed making gay marriage legal. Even the most liberal state in the Union (California) amended their constitution in defense of marriage. You are either gullible...or lying.
    Most of the Constitutional amendments were made back when opinions were quite different. The public opinon has changed.

    Americans' Acceptance of Gay Relations Crosses 50% Threshold

    Also, you are a bit behind the times.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110225/...s_gay_marriage
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

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    Obama chose not to pursue it out of respect for the office. It was independently determined that Bush did violate the Constitution and did torture those prisoners.
    yeah right. and Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman...Miss Lewinski
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

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    yeah right. and Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman...Miss Lewinski
    And he never inhaled.
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

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    yeah right. and Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman...Miss Lewinski
    US Judge: Obama has the right to protect Bush-Cheney administration from prosecution for torture

    Conservatives are not very informed people I see.

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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Most of the Constitutional amendments were made back when opinions were quite different. The public opinon has changed.

    Americans' Acceptance of Gay Relations Crosses 50% Threshold

    Also, you are a bit behind the times.

    Maryland Senate Makes Case for Equal Rights, Gay Marriage - Yahoo! News
    Right...that's why California passed an amendment in support of defending traditional marriage 52% to 47%, THE MOST LIBERAL STATE IN THE UNION and home to Queer Eye for the straight guy Paradise (San Fan). Yep...perfect DEFLECTION by you....not? I forget when did that ballot take place? Oh yeah...back in antiquity..right?
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    if by uninformed you mean "not brainwashed by every biased source on duh interwebz" then, yes we are not very informed
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Right...that's why California passed an amendment in support of defending traditional marriage 52% to 47%, THE MOST LIBERAL STATE IN THE UNION and home to Queer Eye for the straight guy Paradise (San Fan). Yep...perfect DEFLECTION by you....not?
    PUblic opinon does shift.

    Post-Prop 8, gay marriage winning support in California | The Salt Lake Tribune'

    I totally would support having a public referendum on same sex marriage today in California.

    Oh, and Rhode Island is the most liberal state.
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    PUblic opinon does shift.

    Post-Prop 8, gay marriage winning support in California | The Salt Lake Tribune'

    I totally would support having a public referendum on same sex marriage today in California.

    Oh, and Rhode Island is the most liberal state.
    Based on a poll of 1500 likely voters, you'd NOW support a vote by the people of CA.. LOL Dude you're such a liar!! We already had that vote, you lost, but wouldn't accept the loss so you coopted the judiciary to find a way for you to win anyway...

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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    bush never tortured prisoners. waterboarding is not torture. hell, I was waterboarded, and worse, during training
    Man... are you joking? The basic definition of torture disagrees with you:

    Torture - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    Definition of TORTURE
    1
    a : anguish of body or mind : agony b : something that causes agony or pain
    2
    : the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
    3
    : distortion or overrefinement of a meaning or an argument : straining
    Not to mention we signed the UN Convention Against Torture.

    United Nations Convention Against Torture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (If you want to see all of the signers)
    U.N. says waterboarding should be prosecuted as torture | Reuters

    Also, it would be wise for Bush to be careful, because if he walks into the wrong country and they want to prosecute him, under international law, it is legal:

    Violators of the U.N. Convention against Torture should be prosecuted under the principle of 'universal jurisdiction' which allows countries to try accused war criminals from other nations, Arbour said.

    "There are several precedents worldwide of states exercising their universal jurisdiction ... to enforce the torture convention and we can only hope that we will see more and more of these avenues of redress," Arbour said.
    In fact, OscarB63, the United States has prosecuted others for waterboard:

    Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime - washingtonpost.com
    The United States knows quite a bit about waterboarding. The U.S. government -- whether acting alone before domestic courts, commissions and courts-martial or as part of the world community -- has not only condemned the use of water torture but has severely punished those who applied it.

    After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the Japanese, testified: "I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure." He was asked what he felt when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. "Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning," he replied, "just gasping between life and death."
    Thanks for this debate, by the way. It may be one of the easiest ones I have done in a while. It mostly requires common sense, but the facts also stare you in the face! Also, sorry you were water boarded though I assume it was done to you by a group of your peers and not by a foreign captor.

    I hope you can see the difference as the methodology was probably much less severe on you, and psychologically much easier on you.
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I hope you can see the difference as the methodology was probably much less severe on you, and psychologically much easier on you.
    obvious you never spent one day in the military.
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