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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

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    Man, if that's your definition of "true Christian", then I don't want any "true Christian" in political office. Gods do not come before the laws of man. Give unto Caesar. And what about female prostitutes? Do they get to inherit the kingdom of god?
    God should be put before oneself, assuming you believe in God.
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

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    Funny you didn't quote my verse. How can one make an arguement against it, when it clearly states in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that homosexuals will not be allowed into the Kingdom of God? If you're a true Christian then how can you not believe/abide by this verse, or are you one of those people who believe bits and pieces of the Bible? Just curious..
    We're not talking about any kingdom of god. The government has nothing to do with any kingdom of god. What we are talking about are the laws of man, and the ideals of our Republic. Does the Bible say anything about that? So homosexuals won't "inherit the kingdom of god", that doesn't mean they can't legally be married here on earth.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I've seen the versus before and know the rebuttals to them. It would be better if you read up on it.

    Unfortunately, the Greek original from which many English language Bibles have been translated, is ambiguous about two of the groups who are condemned.

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    Although "homosexual" is a very common translation, it is almost certain to be inaccurate:
    If Paul wanted to refer to homosexual behavior, he would have used the word "paiderasste." That was the standard Greek term at the time for sexual behavior between males.

    HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT: CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERAL VIEWS

    Again, there are better books on the subject, but what is important here is that you understand there is disagreement.
    Yes, I have actually read the article on the site in the past, it was indeed an interesting read, but once again, I stand firmly with my Conservative Christian side, as you believe the Liberal Chrisitian side in a sense.
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    God should be put before oneself, assuming you believe in God.
    And you can do so on a personal level, but not through government. If you don't believe in gay marriage, don't get gay married. It's that simple. Nothing states you have to get gay married. You can get straight married if you want. Or remain unmarried if you want. You have no right to enforce your perceived rules of your god on the rest of us, however. Not in this Republic.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    Yes, I have actually read the article on the site in the past, it was indeed an interesting read, but once again, I stand firmly with my Conservative Christian side, as you believe the Liberal Chrisitian side in a sense.
    Believe? I believe there is doubt. I beleive we should accept our inabillity to know all things. And I believe the Bible was not meant to remove our ability to think, reason, and show compassion. Quite the contrary. being a Christian doesn't require we quit thinking.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We're not talking about any kingdom of god. The government has nothing to do with any kingdom of god. What we are talking about are the laws of man, and the ideals of our Republic. Does the Bible say anything about that? So homosexuals won't "inherit the kingdom of god", that doesn't mean they can't legally be married here on earth.
    I understand the law and religion have a separation, since not everyone is religious, and everyone is intact to their owns view. However, for anyone religious, obviously many of the moral problems in politics(gay marraige, abortion, etc), tie in closely to religion, whether one likes it or not, which is where many people will inadvertently inforce and intertwine their religion/political views, such as I am doing right now.
    "It is a sad day in society when people adjust the facts to fit their beliefs, rather than adjust their beliefs to fit the facts."
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Believe? I believe there is doubt. I beleive we should accept our inabillity to know all things. And I believe the Bible was not meant to remove our ability to think, reason, and show compassion. Quite the contrary. being a Christian doesn't require we quit thinking.
    Obviously it wasn't composed to abolish free thoughtful thinking, as it's being shown right now.
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    I understand the law and religion have a separation, since not everyone is religious, and everyone is intact to their owns view. However, for anyone religious, obviously many of the moral problems in politics(gay marraige, abortion, etc), tie in closely to religion, whether one likes it or not, which is where many people will inadvertently inforce and intertwine their religion/political views, such as I am doing right now.
    Actually, he has to represent the nonChristian as well. So, this could say nothing about his beliefs. However, it is also consistent with being a Christian.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Actually, he has to represent the nonChristian as well. So, this could say nothing about his beliefs. However, it is also consistent with being a Christian.
    Yes, God does love everybody, and represents them, although from what I believe, he doesn't probably agree with them, but we won't know anytime soon, hopefully.
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    I understand the law and religion have a separation, since not everyone is religious, and everyone is intact to their owns view. However, for anyone religious, obviously many of the moral problems in politics(gay marraige, abortion, etc), tie in closely to religion, whether one likes it or not, which is where many people will inadvertently inforce and intertwine their religion/political views, such as I am doing right now.
    Those people push for theocracy, whether they know it or not. Theocracy is never a good thing, it will always go to bad places. It's one reason we in the West understood the necessity to divorce religion from politics. If you can't do that, then you're part of the problem. And a reason why we allow guns in this society.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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