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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    Seems pretty contradictory that he claims to be a Christian and at the same time supports gay marriage.
    There's nothing anti-Christian about it. I'm a Christian and fine with it. there are others, including Christain Churhes that would willingly preform the ceremony.

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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Isn't the president sworn in to protect the laws and defend/enforce them? If he doesn't like DOMA he should work towards its repeal, not neglect his duty in the executive branch and chose to not defend laws he doesn't like.
    It's part of the checks and balances. Legislative branch makes laws, the Executive branch executes them. It's separate. The Executive branch decides how to enforce the laws. If the Legislative branch does not think the Executive branch is doing its job; they can go to the Judicial branch and have the courts force the Executive branch to enforce the laws better.

    Besides, isn't DOMA essentially an amendment to the Constitution without actually going through the correct procedures to amend the Constitution?
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    Seems pretty contradictory that he claims to be a Christian and at the same time supports gay marriage.
    This is a fairly silly statement. Plenty of Christians support same sex marriage.
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

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    This is a fairly silly statement. Plenty of Christians support same sex marriage.
    and plenty more, though they don't actively support it, don't oppose it either.
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's part of the checks and balances. Legislative branch makes laws, the Executive branch executes them. It's separate. The Executive branch decides how to enforce the laws. If the Legislative branch does not think the Executive branch is doing its job; they can go to the Judicial branch and have the courts force the Executive branch to enforce the laws better.

    Besides, isn't DOMA essentially an amendment to the Constitution without actually going through the correct procedures to amend the Constitution?
    It is not enforcement in this case. DOMA is still being "enforced", it is just not being defended in court by the AG.
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

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    There's nothing anti-Christian about it. I'm a Christian and fine with it. there are others, including Christain Churhes that would willingly preform the ceremony.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This is a fairly silly statement. Plenty of Christians support same sex marriage.
    Well all know that the Bible is against same sex marriage, if we can't agree on this, then it isn't even worthy of having the debate. There are many people who slap the label of "Christian" on them, but we all know someone who claims to be a Christian, and is the farthest thing from it. However, if you truly are a Christian, that means you believe in Jesus Christ, and the Bible. If you truly believe in it, not just what you choose to, then you're agreeing with the Bible's advocancy toward prohibiting same sex marraige. If Obama is a true Christian, then putting God before himself should be no problem, and in this case he is doing quite the opposite, is he not?

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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    Well all know that the Bible is against same sex marriage, if we can't agree on this, then it isn't even worthy of having the debate. There are many people who slap the label of "Christian" on them, but we all know someone who claims to be a Christian, and is the farthest thing from it. However, if you truly are a Christian, that means you believe in Jesus Christ, and the Bible. If you truly believe in it, not just what you choose to, then you're agreeing with the Bible's advocancy toward prohibiting same sex marraige. If Obama is a true Christian, then putting God before himself should be no problem, and in this case he is doing quite the opposite, is he not?
    No, you believe the Bible is agaisnt it. It aqctually never comes up, and there is even some doubt the Bible says anything at all about homosexuality. There are Books on this. Though not as good as some of the books, you can get a feel for that religious tolerance.com

    you must understand, Christians are as diverse as any other grouping and they all do not agree on many things. And the Bible is really just the begining of the discussion and not the end of it, especially concerning things not fully addressed in the Bible.

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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, you believe the Bible is agaisnt it. It aqctually never comes up, and there is even some doubt the Bible says anything at all about homosexuality. There are Books on this. Though not as good as some of the books, you can get a feel for that religious tolerance.com

    you must understand, Christians are as diverse as any other grouping and they all do not agree on many things. And the Bible is really just the begining of the discussion and not the end of it, especially concerning things not fully addressed in the Bible.
    Funny you didn't quote my verse. How can one make an arguement against it, when it clearly states in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that homosexuals will not be allowed into the Kingdom of God? If you're a true Christian then how can you not believe/abide by this verse, or are you one of those people who believe bits and pieces of the Bible? Just curious..
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    Well all know that the Bible is against same sex marriage, if we can't agree on this, then it isn't even worthy of having the debate. There are many people who slap the label of "Christian" on them, but we all know someone who claims to be a Christian, and is the farthest thing from it. However, if you truly are a Christian, that means you believe in Jesus Christ, and the Bible. If you truly believe in it, not just what you choose to, then you're agreeing with the Bible's advocancy toward prohibiting same sex marraige. If Obama is a true Christian, then putting God before himself should be no problem, and in this case he is doing quite the opposite, is he not?
    Man, if that's your definition of "true Christian", then I don't want any "true Christian" in political office. Gods do not come before the laws of man. Give unto Caesar. And what about female prostitutes? Do they get to inherit the kingdom of god?
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    Re: Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    Funny you didn't quote my verse. How can one make an arguement against it, when it clearly states in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that homosexuals will not be allowed into the Kingdom of God? If you're a true Christian then how can you not believe/abide by this verse, or are you one of those people who believe bits and pieces of the Bible? Just curious..
    I've seen the versus before and know the rebuttals to them. It would be better if you read up on it.

    Unfortunately, the Greek original from which many English language Bibles have been translated, is ambiguous about two of the groups who are condemned.

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    Although "homosexual" is a very common translation, it is almost certain to be inaccurate:
    If Paul wanted to refer to homosexual behavior, he would have used the word "paiderasste." That was the standard Greek term at the time for sexual behavior between males.

    HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT: CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERAL VIEWS

    Again, there are better books on the subject, but what is important here is that you understand there is disagreement.

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