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Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions

Re: Americans Oppose Weaker Unions

In the beginning Unions were a necessary evil in dealing with management but they have long since outlived their usefulness and this is from someone who was a member of a union for 25 years...............
 
BWG said:
Speaking of selective. You cited a 2009 poll that conveniently fit your view.

Here's a more recent Gallup.
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Actually thank you for that. I was looking for a more recent poll from Gallup and missed that one (which also conveniently fits my view btw).
 
X Factor said:
Actually thank you for that. I was looking for a more recent poll from Gallup and missed that one (which also conveniently fits my view btw).
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The MOST recent one is the one I posted last night.
 
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Gill said:
And although 64% admitted that their state was in financial crisis,

71% oppose raising any taxes on anyone
53% oppose any reduction in government benefits for government workers
48% oppose any reduction in government programs

So, these Einsteins that were polled believe that their state is about to go bankrupt, but oppose any solutions to the problem.

Impressive.
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You seem to have the elitists scorn for the American people.
 
haymarket said:
Or Gallup could have asked

"There are a bunch of communist socialist Trotskyite sucmbag doucebag criminals hiding out across the state line trying to help their union thug buddies to keep fleecing the good honest hard-working taxpayers of the State of Wisconsin. Do you support those communist scumbags or do you think they should be penalized for their high reason and crimes?"

I suspect the usual right wing extremists would yell out a loud "HELL YEAH" at that prospect and then trumpet the lopsided results as the will of the people.

I also suspect that an respected organization like Gallup which has been around for over seventy years and has polled the country of thousands upon thousands of issues knows pretty much how to do their jobs.
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Your fantasies about supposed right wing extremists aside, you seem to agree with me that the way the question is phrased goes a long way to determining the poll results. My point is that without including details about the contentious provisions in the bill, annual recertification of the union by public employees, no automatic deduction of dues from paychecks and determination of contentious issues by voters, Gallup measured present biases for or against collective bargaining/unions - and with their seventy years of experience I'm sure they did an excellent job of it - but not opinions about the content of the bill, and perhaps all Gallup was interested in measuring was present biases for or against unions.

I suspect that many of those who responded to the poll did not know what the content of the bill was, and had they been told, their answers might have been different.
 
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Gill said:
And although 64% admitted that their state was in financial crisis,

71% oppose raising any taxes on anyone
53% oppose any reduction in government benefits for government workers
48% oppose any reduction in government programs

So, these Einsteins that were polled believe that their state is about to go bankrupt, but oppose any solutions to the problem.

Impressive.
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Welcome to America. We want it all and we don't want to pay for it.
 
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X Factor said:
You keep blowing this off. This is from Gallup.

Labor Unions See Sharp Slide in U.S. Public Support
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I thought this one was interesting. Looks like Obama effed it up for the unions.
 
Re: Americans Oppose Weaker Unions

Your point eludes .


Ockham said:
That's the same "We" included in the

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

There's that dang Constitution again!!! Bugger of a document!!
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megaprogman said:
Welcome to America. We want it all and we don't want to pay for it.
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That's no different than anywhere else.

Most seem to want cradle to grave insurance with someone else paying for it. "The Rich" are the villains, of course, and their paying for our wants eliminates the hassle of having to look after ourselves.
 
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Grant said:
That's no different than anywhere else.

Most seem to want cradle to grave insurance with someone else paying for it. "The Rich" are the villains, of course, and their paying for our wants eliminates the hassle of having to look after ourselves.
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speak for yourself.
 
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haymarket said:
All you need to do is to look at the real methodology Gallup employed and not some fantasy scenario of how you might do it.
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Can you link to it, it seems they "polled 1000 people +-4 points....... I can't find the geography example of the areas polled, do you have that? :ssst:
 
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haymarket said:
Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions - USATODAY.com

Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions
By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY Updated
MADISON, Wis. — Americans strongly oppose laws taking away the collective bargaining power of public employee unions, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll. The poll found 61% would oppose a law in their state similar to such a proposal in Wisconsin, compared with 33% who would favor such a law.
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X Factor said:
Hummm, square that with this;



Most Americans don?t support unions for public workers: poll - International Business Times
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Is the first poll result conflicting with the second? No.

X Factor said:
Sure am,



Labor Unions See Sharp Slide in U.S. Public Support



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This is an older poll at the heart of the recession. Attitudes do shift. So, again, is there really a conflict?
 
Politicians shouldn't make laws based on random polls. They should base them on what is needed in Wisconsin and on what their constituents, especially the one's who voted them into office support. And you know, sometimes people's opinions are split on the issue so politicians have to make the tough decision.
 
jambalaya said:
Politicians shouldn't make laws based on random polls. They should base them on what is needed in Wisconsin and on what their constituents, especially the one's who voted them into office support. And you know, sometimes people's opinions are split on the issue so politicians have to make the tough decision.
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Show me Walker campaign ad where he said he plans on ending collective bargaining for public unions.
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
Show me Walker campaign ad where he said he plans on ending collective bargaining for public unions.
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The bill does not end collective bargaining, but limits it to wage and salary issues, forcing unions to justify their demands to voters/taxpayers if they are unhappy with other conditions such as work conditions or benefits. It also limits pay increases to the rate of inflation without voter approval. It requires the unions to stand for recertification by workers each year and it ends automatic deduction of dues from their paychecks. It also requires workers to pay a lot more towards their benefit packages.

Q&A: The Wis. protests and what they mean for nation - USATODAY.com

Each of these issues is worthy of public debate, and if each were put to voters, taxpayers, as referendum items, each would have a good chance of passing. The same Gallup poll that was cited in the OP also asked the question:

"In states in which government workers belong to unions, do you think those unions are generally more helpful or more harmful to those states?"


45% more helpful

46% more harmful

Work
 
toomuchtime_ said:
The bill does not end collective bargaining, but limits it to wage and salary issues, forcing unions to justify their demands to voters/taxpayers if they are unhappy with other conditions such as work conditions or benefits. It also limits pay increases to the rate of inflation without voter approval. It requires the unions to stand for recertification by workers each year and it ends automatic deduction of dues from their paychecks. It also requires workers to pay a lot more towards their benefit packages.

Q&A: The Wis. protests and what they mean for nation - USATODAY.com
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outstanding post!

this is the kinda hard info i, for one, want to see

keep em coming
 
toomuchtime_ said:
The bill does not end collective bargaining, but limits it to wage and salary issues, forcing unions to justify their demands to voters/taxpayers if they are unhappy with other conditions such as work conditions or benefits. It also limits pay increases to the rate of inflation without voter approval. It requires the unions to stand for recertification by workers each year and it ends automatic deduction of dues from their paychecks. It also requires workers to pay a lot more towards their benefit packages.

Q&A: The Wis. protests and what they mean for nation - USATODAY.com

Each of these issues is worthy of public debate, and if each were put to voters, taxpayers, as referendum items, each would have a good chance of passing. The same Gallup poll that was cited in the OP also asked the question:

"In states in which government workers belong to unions, do you think those unions are generally more helpful or more harmful to those states?"


45% more helpful

46% more harmful

Work
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This is a perfect example of why polls don't work. They poll a lot of people ignorant of the facts which render their opinions meaningless. I think that is a majority of the people. Then we have people who don't care about the facts. In the end we have very few sober, honest opinions.
 
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