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    Re: Americans Oppose Weaker Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    All you need to do is to look at the real methodology Gallup employed and not some fantasy scenario of how you might do it.


    Can you link to it, it seems they "polled 1000 people +-4 points....... I can't find the geography example of the areas polled, do you have that?
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    Re: Americans Oppose Weaker Unions

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    Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions - USATODAY.com

    Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions
    By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY Updated
    MADISON, Wis. — Americans strongly oppose laws taking away the collective bargaining power of public employee unions, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll. The poll found 61% would oppose a law in their state similar to such a proposal in Wisconsin, compared with 33% who would favor such a law.
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    Is the first poll result conflicting with the second? No.

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    This is an older poll at the heart of the recession. Attitudes do shift. So, again, is there really a conflict?
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    Re: Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions

    Politicians shouldn't make laws based on random polls. They should base them on what is needed in Wisconsin and on what their constituents, especially the one's who voted them into office support. And you know, sometimes people's opinions are split on the issue so politicians have to make the tough decision.

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    Re: Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    Politicians shouldn't make laws based on random polls. They should base them on what is needed in Wisconsin and on what their constituents, especially the one's who voted them into office support. And you know, sometimes people's opinions are split on the issue so politicians have to make the tough decision.
    Show me Walker campaign ad where he said he plans on ending collective bargaining for public unions.


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    Re: Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions

    Hmmmm, really?

    ...you do know he "has" to balance his budget, don't you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Show me Walker campaign ad where he said he plans on ending collective bargaining for public unions.
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    Re: Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Show me Walker campaign ad where he said he plans on ending collective bargaining for public unions.
    The bill does not end collective bargaining, but limits it to wage and salary issues, forcing unions to justify their demands to voters/taxpayers if they are unhappy with other conditions such as work conditions or benefits. It also limits pay increases to the rate of inflation without voter approval. It requires the unions to stand for recertification by workers each year and it ends automatic deduction of dues from their paychecks. It also requires workers to pay a lot more towards their benefit packages.

    Q&A: The Wis. protests and what they mean for nation - USATODAY.com

    Each of these issues is worthy of public debate, and if each were put to voters, taxpayers, as referendum items, each would have a good chance of passing. The same Gallup poll that was cited in the OP also asked the question:

    "In states in which government workers belong to unions, do you think those unions are generally more helpful or more harmful to those states?"


    45% more helpful

    46% more harmful

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    Re: Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    The bill does not end collective bargaining, but limits it to wage and salary issues, forcing unions to justify their demands to voters/taxpayers if they are unhappy with other conditions such as work conditions or benefits. It also limits pay increases to the rate of inflation without voter approval. It requires the unions to stand for recertification by workers each year and it ends automatic deduction of dues from their paychecks. It also requires workers to pay a lot more towards their benefit packages.

    Q&A: The Wis. protests and what they mean for nation - USATODAY.com
    outstanding post!

    this is the kinda hard info i, for one, want to see

    keep em coming

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    Re: Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    The bill does not end collective bargaining, but limits it to wage and salary issues, forcing unions to justify their demands to voters/taxpayers if they are unhappy with other conditions such as work conditions or benefits. It also limits pay increases to the rate of inflation without voter approval. It requires the unions to stand for recertification by workers each year and it ends automatic deduction of dues from their paychecks. It also requires workers to pay a lot more towards their benefit packages.

    Q&A: The Wis. protests and what they mean for nation - USATODAY.com

    Each of these issues is worthy of public debate, and if each were put to voters, taxpayers, as referendum items, each would have a good chance of passing. The same Gallup poll that was cited in the OP also asked the question:

    "In states in which government workers belong to unions, do you think those unions are generally more helpful or more harmful to those states?"


    45% more helpful

    46% more harmful

    Work
    This is a perfect example of why polls don't work. They poll a lot of people ignorant of the facts which render their opinions meaningless. I think that is a majority of the people. Then we have people who don't care about the facts. In the end we have very few sober, honest opinions.

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