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    Re: Americans Oppose Weaker Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I completely agree that a poll from a virtually unknown outfit like Clarus does not pass the common smell test. Some outfit with two employees and a tiny income certainly pales in the seventy year credibility of Gallup - the gold standard in public polling.

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    Re: Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions

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    Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions - USATODAY.com

    Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions
    By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY Updated
    MADISON, Wis. Americans strongly oppose laws taking away the collective bargaining power of public employee unions, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll. The poll found 61% would oppose a law in their state similar to such a proposal in Wisconsin, compared with 33% who would favor such a law.
    I wonder if the respondents understood what they were voting for. The question Gallup asked was:

    As you may know one way the legislature in Wisconsin is seeking to reduce its budget deficit is by passing a bill that would take away some of the collective bargaining rights of most public unions, including the state teachers' union. Would you favor or oppose such a bill in your state?
    If instead, they had been asked:

    As you may know one way the legislature in Wisconsin is seeking to reduce its budget deficit is by passing a bill that would restore workers' rights by requiring public unions to stand for recertification by the workers each year and allow public employees to choose not to join the union or to pay dues if they chose not to, instead of having the dues automatically deducted from their pay, and that would restore taxpayer rights by requiring that non salary/wage issues be decided by referendum instead of by back room deals among politicians. Would you favor such a bill in your state?

    I suspect the results of the poll would have been very different.

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    Re: Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    I wonder if the respondents understood what they were voting for. The question Gallup asked was:



    If instead, they had been asked:

    As you may know one way the legislature in Wisconsin is seeking to reduce its budget deficit is by passing a bill that would restore workers' rights by requiring public unions to stand for recertification by the workers each year and allow public employees to choose not to join the union or to pay dues if they chose not to, instead of having the dues automatically deducted from their pay, and that would restore taxpayer rights by requiring that non salary/wage issues be decided by referendum instead of by back room deals among politicians. Would you favor such a bill in your state?

    I suspect the results of the poll would have been very different.
    While Union bosses might complain about "Big Business" it is the unions which are the big business. And it's a business where you force customers to buy the product whether you want to or not.

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    Re: Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions

    For the time's they are a changin'
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Americans Oppose Weaker Unions

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    You're a clever guy. NOT.
    And you think using a 20 year old teen cliche is clever?
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    Re: Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    I wonder if the respondents understood what they were voting for. The question Gallup asked was:



    If instead, they had been asked:

    As you may know one way the legislature in Wisconsin is seeking to reduce its budget deficit is by passing a bill that would restore workers' rights by requiring public unions to stand for recertification by the workers each year and allow public employees to choose not to join the union or to pay dues if they chose not to, instead of having the dues automatically deducted from their pay, and that would restore taxpayer rights by requiring that non salary/wage issues be decided by referendum instead of by back room deals among politicians. Would you favor such a bill in your state?

    I suspect the results of the poll would have been very different.


    Or Gallup could have asked

    "There are a bunch of communist socialist Trotskyite sucmbag doucebag criminals hiding out across the state line trying to help their union thug buddies to keep fleecing the good honest hard-working taxpayers of the State of Wisconsin. Do you support those communist scumbags or do you think they should be penalized for their high reason and crimes?"

    I suspect the usual right wing extremists would yell out a loud "HELL YEAH" at that prospect and then trumpet the lopsided results as the will of the people.

    I also suspect that an respected organization like Gallup which has been around for over seventy years and has polled the country of thousands upon thousands of issues knows pretty much how to do their jobs.
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    Re: Americans Oppose Weaker Unions

    a sample of "1000" people..... All you need to do is target a union heavy state and voila, you get the results you seek.
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    Re: Americans Oppose Weaker Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    a sample of "1000" people..... All you need to do is target a union heavy state and voila, you get the results you seek.
    All you need to do is to look at the real methodology Gallup employed and not some fantasy scenario of how you might do it.
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    Re: Americans Oppose Weaker Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    You go ahead and run with this....we want nothing to do with these Unions...and Bammy and you can ride off into the sunset believing this..it's where you are headed.
    who is "we"? you speak for everyone?

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    Re: Americans Oppose Weaker Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    All you need to do is to look at the real methodology Gallup employed and not some fantasy scenario of how you might do it.
    You keep blowing this off. This is from Gallup.

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