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Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions

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Rasmussen poll shows Walker winning standoff with unions, Dems « Hot Air
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters agree more with the Republican governor in his dispute with union workers. Thirty-eight percent (38%) agree more with the unionized public employees, while 14% are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.) …
Thirty-eight percent (38%) of voters think teachers, firemen and policemen should be allowed to go on strike, but 49% disagree and believe they should not have that right. Thirteen percent (13%) are not sure.
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I haven't read this thread yet. But what I'd like is to see a poll of Arizonans only.
 
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i think the fact that the wisconsin workers caved so completely on the fiduciaries is an indication of where this thing is moving as it spreads like fire from state to state

unions are gonna have to retreat terribly on pensions, on contributions, even on the politicals

it's now only a question of how badly the collectives are gonna get their cans kicked in the various municipals

how do americans feel about the TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION dollars of underfunded public pensions WE ARE ALL on the hook for, employers, employees, unemployed, unionists, right-to-workers, children and unborn?

let's survey that sadsack issue and then dispute which pollster's standard is more gold
 
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haymarket said:
Apparently you are in a minority.
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So, how do you explain the American people not voting for the union party?
 
haymarket said:
Of course you don't. As is your right. You can adopt any belief system you want and exclude any facts or information which endangers those willful beliefs.
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Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
 
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds
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no need to go any further. If Rasmussen told me there was dirt under the grass I would get a shovel to verify. For a whole week now we have been deluged with what seems like scores of threads all on this same subject. In them, many conservatives and anti-unionists express the wish to see a good public opinion poll on this matter. So now you have one from Gallup - one of the most, if not THE most respected and experienced name in the field.

But you reject it because it shatters your willfully adopted beliefs.

Is this politics or religion? For some of you here, its very difficult to tell.
 
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haymarket said:
I completely agree that a poll from a virtually unknown outfit like Clarus does not pass the common smell test. Some outfit with two employees and a tiny income certainly pales in the seventy year credibility of Gallup - the gold standard in public polling.

For once we agree.
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You're a clever guy. NOT.
 
haymarket said:
Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions - USATODAY.com

Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions
By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY Updated
MADISON, Wis. — Americans strongly oppose laws taking away the collective bargaining power of public employee unions, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll. The poll found 61% would oppose a law in their state similar to such a proposal in Wisconsin, compared with 33% who would favor such a law.
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I wonder if the respondents understood what they were voting for. The question Gallup asked was:

As you may know one way the legislature in Wisconsin is seeking to reduce its budget deficit is by passing a bill that would take away some of the collective bargaining rights of most public unions, including the state teachers' union. Would you favor or oppose such a bill in your state?
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If instead, they had been asked:

As you may know one way the legislature in Wisconsin is seeking to reduce its budget deficit is by passing a bill that would restore workers' rights by requiring public unions to stand for recertification by the workers each year and allow public employees to choose not to join the union or to pay dues if they chose not to, instead of having the dues automatically deducted from their pay, and that would restore taxpayer rights by requiring that non salary/wage issues be decided by referendum instead of by back room deals among politicians. Would you favor such a bill in your state?

I suspect the results of the poll would have been very different.
 
toomuchtime_ said:
I wonder if the respondents understood what they were voting for. The question Gallup asked was:



If instead, they had been asked:

As you may know one way the legislature in Wisconsin is seeking to reduce its budget deficit is by passing a bill that would restore workers' rights by requiring public unions to stand for recertification by the workers each year and allow public employees to choose not to join the union or to pay dues if they chose not to, instead of having the dues automatically deducted from their pay, and that would restore taxpayer rights by requiring that non salary/wage issues be decided by referendum instead of by back room deals among politicians. Would you favor such a bill in your state?

I suspect the results of the poll would have been very different.
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While Union bosses might complain about "Big Business" it is the unions which are the big business. And it's a business where you force customers to buy the product whether you want to or not.
 
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For the time's they are a changin'
 
toomuchtime_ said:
I wonder if the respondents understood what they were voting for. The question Gallup asked was:



If instead, they had been asked:

As you may know one way the legislature in Wisconsin is seeking to reduce its budget deficit is by passing a bill that would restore workers' rights by requiring public unions to stand for recertification by the workers each year and allow public employees to choose not to join the union or to pay dues if they chose not to, instead of having the dues automatically deducted from their pay, and that would restore taxpayer rights by requiring that non salary/wage issues be decided by referendum instead of by back room deals among politicians. Would you favor such a bill in your state?

I suspect the results of the poll would have been very different.
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Or Gallup could have asked

"There are a bunch of communist socialist Trotskyite sucmbag doucebag criminals hiding out across the state line trying to help their union thug buddies to keep fleecing the good honest hard-working taxpayers of the State of Wisconsin. Do you support those communist scumbags or do you think they should be penalized for their high reason and crimes?"

I suspect the usual right wing extremists would yell out a loud "HELL YEAH" at that prospect and then trumpet the lopsided results as the will of the people.

I also suspect that an respected organization like Gallup which has been around for over seventy years and has polled the country of thousands upon thousands of issues knows pretty much how to do their jobs.
 
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a sample of "1000" people..... All you need to do is target a union heavy state and voila, you get the results you seek.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
a sample of "1000" people..... All you need to do is target a union heavy state and voila, you get the results you seek.
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All you need to do is to look at the real methodology Gallup employed and not some fantasy scenario of how you might do it.
 
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Amazed said:
You go ahead and run with this....we want nothing to do with these Unions...and Bammy and you can ride off into the sunset believing this..it's where you are headed.
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who is "we"? you speak for everyone?
 
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haymarket said:
All you need to do is to look at the real methodology Gallup employed and not some fantasy scenario of how you might do it.
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And although 64% admitted that their state was in financial crisis,

71% oppose raising any taxes on anyone
53% oppose any reduction in government benefits for government workers
48% oppose any reduction in government programs

So, these Einsteins that were polled believe that their state is about to go bankrupt, but oppose any solutions to the problem.

Impressive.
 
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Amazed said:
Modrate, mainstream America....the same folks who brought you 63 Seats in the house.....29 Governorships, and a myriad of State Legislatures.
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That's the same "We" included in the

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

There's that dang Constitution again!!! Bugger of a document!!
 
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Wiki seems to think Gallop and Rasmusen are equally credible, so let's stop bitching and use them both or throw them both out :)

Rasmussen Reports - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rasmussen Reports and Gallup are consistently ranked 1 and 2 by Alexa.com in terms of web traffic among public opinion firms. Rasmussen has a larger social media following: over 80,000 follow the company on Twitter and over 25,000 are Facebook fans. The firm also releases a free daily e-newsletter.

Rasmussen Reports and Gallup are the only two firms that produce daily tracking polls. Both measure the President’s Job Approval on a daily basis. Gallup measures the Approval among all adults while Rasmussen measures it among Likely Voters. Generally, polls of all adults produce results that are more favorable to Democrats than polls of Likely Voters. However, the ratings produced by both firms are quite similar and show the same trends.
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But then...there is this

The Gallup Organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For the 2008 U.S. presidential election, Gallup was rated 17th out of 23 polling organizations in terms of the precision of its pre-election polls relative to the final results.[3]
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X Factor said:
You keep blowing this off. This is from Gallup.

Labor Unions See Sharp Slide in U.S. Public Support
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From your link in case they missed it. :)

PRINCETON, NJ -- Gallup finds organized labor taking a significant image hit in the past year. While 66% of Americans continue to believe unions are beneficial to their own members, a slight majority now say unions hurt the nation's economy. More broadly, fewer than half of Americans -- 48%, an all-time low -- approve of labor unions, down from 59% a year ago.
 
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Barbbtx said:
From your link in case they missed it. :)

PRINCETON, NJ -- Gallup finds organized labor taking a significant image hit in the past year. While 66% of Americans continue to believe unions are beneficial to their own members, a slight majority now say unions hurt the nation's economy. More broadly, fewer than half of Americans -- 48%, an all-time low -- approve of labor unions, down from 59% a year ago.
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Haymarket seems to have selective sight. ;) If you read the whole linked article, you see that the popularity of unions have been going down every year since they started the poll.
 
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Polls like this piss me off because they almost never make the distinction between public sector and private unions. When I was visiting my dad yesterday who is an IBEW guy, he said that the bastards should go back to work. When you work for the government, your at their mercy. For those that don't know, there has always been more or less a long silent hatred between private and government union workers.
 
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Gill said:
And although 64% admitted that their state was in financial crisis,

71% oppose raising any taxes on anyone
53% oppose any reduction in government benefits for government workers
48% oppose any reduction in government programs

So, these Einsteins that were polled believe that their state is about to go bankrupt, but oppose any solutions to the problem.

Impressive.
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That's very true. You nailed it here. I don't think the solution is raising taxes, I think its making cuts in the two things you hit on.
 
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concerning collective bargaining for public employees---just who do these big unions give those hundreds of millions of dollars of campaign contributions to?
 
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